You are assuming that once Murray is back, he won't get injured again and I can't confidently say that he won't. This is the whole reason I didn't want a Matt Murray trade.

As I said if he can give 30 and do well that's enough for us rn as Sammy will get rest

Cause last year before zaitsev hit him he was on pace to play around 40 games and he had more injury than this

I’m down for this any move really.

I really hope he gets a genuine look on the roster. Him and Steeves are about as NHL ready as you can get. I would really like to see

Robertson - Matthews - Nylander
Bunting - Tavares - Marner
Kerfoot - Holmberg - Jarnkrok
Engvall - Kampf - Aston Reese
Malgin, NAK

Love the top two line but pls Keefe give us Engvall-Kampf-Jarkrok

I actually really like ZAR-Holmberg-NAK in the preseason games

Edit:

yes sit Kerf

Also some very good combinations. Holmberg brings an underrated amount of versatility to the roster

I mean what the Fukc?

Scratching Robertson and playing him 6-8 mins a night is just stupid. Trade him then if you not going to use him

Brodie-Holl was a good pairing last year in certain situations. Not so sure on Rielly-Mete as that pairing doesnt scream anything to me. Gio-Sandin was fine so thats good.

Still excited to see Pontus Holmberg

Look, I don't hate Sheldon Keefe, but he goes through every possible combination before he gets it right. He is also trying some unnecessary combinations that are usually a detriment to the team. Its not hard to get it right. Stop punishing good play. Also, he not only scratched Robby, but put Holl on the top pair.

I still dont get why he doesnt do Engvall-Kampf-Jarnkrok like to me that screams the second coming of Engvall-Kampf-Mikheyev but Keefe seems to not know how to position him

Robertson - Matthews - Nylander
Bunting - Tavares - Marner
Engvall - Kampf - Jarnkrok
Kerfoot-Holmberg-Reese

I’ll be honest, I’m sick of Keefe and Dubas.

So Matthews and Marner is still a thing 🤦‍♂️
Engvall and Kampf are not on the same line 🤦‍♂️
Kerfoot is back with Tavares and Nylander 🤦‍♂️
What the Fukc is Malgin going to do on the 4th line🤦‍♂️

I do like Holmberg as the 3c and maybe having 3 sweds together could create something. Kind of like what the Blues did with the 3 Russians

And Kerfoot did get 51 points with those 2 so it could all work well in that regard

4th line is weird.

I’m down to see Holmberg but splitting Engvsll and Kampf is such a bad idea and keeping continuing to keep Nylander with Tavares and Matthews with Marner isn’t working.

Don’t get me started with Kerfoot. Tavares and Nylander posted worse underlying numbers with Kerfoot than without and were dead even in goals for and against with him at 5v5 last season.

And for an even higher sample, Tavares and Nylander have been out scored at 5v5 over a three year period (110 GA 103 GF) while the Matthews lines takes on the teams tougher match ups. They should be dominating their mins and not even breaking even is terrible.
Tavares and Nylander at 5v5 don’t work.

Would honestly just try once Matthews with Willy and Tavares with Marner. As why not reward the best C with Marner. Motivate Matthews to go well u want him back as your RW earn it. Kind of like what happened when Pasta slowed down in Boston and they split him from Marchand and Bergeron and despite the protest it worked

Im not a fan of Keefe and he does piss me off quite often, but he did just coach the team to a record season, so I tend to cut him some slack. I go back and forth on Dubas a lot. On one hand, his drafting has been very good. He hasn't really drafted any massive superstars, but he drafts a lot of really solid prospects and gets a lot of value from his often limited draft stock. On the other hand, he gets fleeced on most trades. Even trades that have benefitted the Leafs often benefit the other team more. The only real fleecings that come to mind are the Gio trade (which was really solid), and the McCann trade which was immediately ruined when he was left unprotected in the expansion draft. Trading away Moore, Marchment, Durzi, Kadri, Barabanov, and others really sucked. I don't absolutely despise Dubas, I think he is a good GM, but there are better options IMO. If the Leafs kept Dubas I wouldn't be angry, but if we let him go I'd probably be fine with it barring a situation where his replacement is incompetent. It does get infuriating at times though, hell even Holland and Bergevin managed to swing a good trade here and there

Was doing a bit of checking and an interesting debacle came up with a certain rival

With Edmunson coming back MTL will have 24 players

Someone needs to go

So there is a dilemma

Waive one of Drouin or Dadonov or send Slavkovsky down

Slav has been demonstrating hes getting it together and so I dont think hes off to Laval so that leaves waiving someone (as it also helps MTL with cap)

If im Toronto and considering the issues with depth scoring I swing in and make a deal with MTL to take one of the 2 guys mentioned (heck might even be able to get some retention on a deal similar to what we saw with Bear)

Personally I would take Dadonov with some retention as to me him next to Matthews makes sense

It's a story of two teams - the elite, highly paid skilled players who were saddled with the enormous task of ending the Cup drought... and the bottom-end filler players that are brought in to take up roster spots at bargain basement prices on limited term.
You will never build a champion team this way.
There is simply not enough salary room to round the team out with depth and character players. I've been beating this dead horse for 3 yrs now - THIS TEAM WILL NEVER WIN A CUP WITH MITCH MARNERS SALARY ON THE BOOKS!!!!
It cannot be done, and no amount of "We'll make it happen" wishfull thinking is going to change this reality.
This is not a reflection of Marner as a player, he's elite and regardless of his flaws there is no difference in what he brings to the team whether he's paid 1 million or 10.9 million, but the 10.9 million does not allow the team to acquire better bottom 6 players. The typical counter argument is "But Tavares is paid too much money and they never should have signed him". This is wrong. Tavares is playing at a discount from what he could have been paid, he had proven himself, is/was elite and there is no argument that exists that he should not be paid market value in a league were salary is structured to pay out players later in their career. He was also signed prior to any of these other players... Mathews, Nylander and Marner were signed AFTER Tavares, so the decision to max out those remaining players after making Tavares your focus is the error - not signing Tavares.
The glaring problem with the team is that they have no bottom 6 depth (although David Kampf is awesome, I love this guy). The top 4 are carrying the team and two of these guys - Marner and Nylander are too soft to carry that pressure. Nylander becomes disengaged and Marner just collapses. He becomes too emotional and the opposition exploits this. Once you shut down Marner you effectivelly limit 50% of Mathews offense, which renders the top line useless. The secondary problem with the team is they have no toughness spread throughout the team. When you're only tough guys are two call-ups (Clifford and Simmonds) from the minors you are no longer dictating the tone of the game, you're reacting to the possibility of a game getting chippy. Again, this is to easily exploited by opposition and this is why we see liberties being taken with Mathews every game. The opposition knows there is no reprisals. They have no fear. The Leafs need to get tougher.
So what's the solution?
Marner must be traded. The return for Marner will be huge (it should be anyways) and the cap relief is far more important than Nylanders cap relief. Nylander is not a "franchise" player, whereas it could be argued (stretching the truth somewhat) that Marner is a franchise player (for some teams anyways). The Leafs have their franchise guy - Mathews. You don't need two. Tavares and Nylander are elite secondary players. Trade Marner for depth - lot's of it. Make sure that depth comes with size, grit, attitude and general instinct for punching other people in the face who try to run our elite players. If you trade Marner with the focus on trying to get a return of skill you will lose that trade 100% of the time. I'm not saying the Leafs need a goon, but what they do need is guys who can push back... or push first.
I have no idea what other teams want or how they think, so gaming out trades so people in the forum can dump all over peoples "ideas" seems like a lesson in futility... none of us have any clue what is a good trade or whether one team would "Do that deal"... but the essence of armchair GM'ing is to have fun and toss around ideas.
Heres Mine.
Marner and Robertson and third rd pick to Los Angeles for .... Brendan Lemieux, Trevor Moore, Matt Roy, Viktor Arvidson and (hopefully) a 1st rd pick in 2022 or 2023. Lemieux brings some tenaciousness to the left wing, Trevor Moore is a solid 3rd/4th line depth winger with size and bottom 6 scoring, Matt Roy is a tough right handed D-man, Arvidson is taking salary back from LA but still provides 2nd line scoring.
I would follow this with - "whatever it takes to get Marcus Foligno out of Minnesota" (within reason of course). And if you cannot see the benefit of a Marcus Foligno on the Leafs roster you need to just stop watching hockey NOW. Foligno is exactly what the Leafs need, big, tough, forward checking role-player who can score.
Moving Alex Kerfoot is also required. I doubt you can get much for him but I would try for a solid 4th line center and a draft pick. Nils Aman from Vancouver is a good start.
Players like Engvall, Holl, Malgin need to be moved out for 4th and 5th round draft picks.... because they aren't worth anything more.

Muzzin getting his neck evaluated by a specialist in California

I got a feeling that specialist report is what they are waiting for before any move is made

As lets say Muzzin's out till playoffs k u can then go get a rental like Gavrikov

But if Muzzin is done then u explore someone like Chycrun, McCabe, etc.

They needed a RD back when they first traded for Muzzin and they still need another RD. As long as they don't go after another LD (whatever happens with Muzzin).

Honestly I thought that then Sandin demonstrated he cant play top 4 and Gio is to old to do that. Maybe Sandin would get better with more games but man he got torched to the point I was like so why u hold out again

As to me if we go LD

Rielly-Brodie
New Guy-Liligren
Gio-Sandin

Then at the TDL I would explore maybe bringing in a RD depth piece

The optimal Leafs lineup is:

Bunting Matthew Nylander
Robertson Tavares Maner
Engvall Kampf Jarnkrok
ZAR Kerfoot Malgin
Rielly Liljgren
Giordano Brodie
Sandin Benn

In a ideal world you move out Benn and drop Liljgren to play with Sandin and get a "Marino" type. And unfortunately I don't think that guy is out there. I do like Connor Murphy but he comes with his on baggage of injury history, maybe you can get Peeke if CLB continues to falter or Demelo from WPG. If NSH for some reason wants to, try and get Fabbro.

But for me that forward lineup is more that capable of making a run to the TDL and make a move for a forward then. Flip Holl to whoever right now, then NEED a better backup, move Holl to OTT for Hellberg once Talbot is healthy.

Pekka just signed an extension, so I doubt he's on the block. If Nemec graduates sometime this year, I'd be all over Severson

I think if you were to ask CLB fans if they ever thought Bjorkstrand would get traded they’d tell you are nuts lol. Personally I believe Peeke’s extension makes it easier to trade now that teams know what his AAV is and are not getting just an RFA. CLB does have a lot of RD’s, it’s possible he could be made available.

Severson scares me too much: he is a UFA, the cost to acquire him, the cost to retain him, and makes some very questionable defensive plays that always seem to go into the back of the net.