Olofsson = Meier

Rosen, Jokiharju, 1st >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kunin

Wait what? Olofsson is much worse than Meier. He is soft, does not play defense, he can only stand still and shoot. Meier is simply a much better player. While I am willing to trade Mittelstadt in this deal instead of Olofsson, we need other players.

How is Olofsson much worse? Olofsson career PPG = .69. Meier = .67.

Olofsson is a F, of course he doesn't play D, but people really discredit his 5v5 game.

In his past 41GP...he has a 55.3 GF% and a 49.3 xGF% ... oh and he never takes penalties, never putting the team down 4-5 on a PK.
Meier: 49.2 GF% 51.4 xGF% and is often in the PK box.

Pretty equal to me, but one player will cost roughly $3mm more than the other...

One of these players is 5th in the league in goals....the other is 57th.

Olofsson only knows how to shoot. He is a very soft player and Meier would be our most physical forward. It's not easy to find a legit top 6 forward who plays the physical game. Yes, Olofsson has a great shot, but that's it, he's invisible in many games. Put Quinn on PP and he'll shoot too, Thompson shoots, Meier shoots. Olofsson is the same Hoffman. Meier is a much better player for me.

So physicality os more important than goals to you.....okay.

In this season? How many empty net goals has Olofsson scored this season, half of his goals? I remember that game when I played the whole game terribly, and then scored two goals into an empty net. We need players who will play the whole game and be useful in everything, physical. game, forecheck, transition, and not just stand and shoot.

No more important, but Olofsson is a one-dimensional player and Meier is not. And we need less one-dimensional players. I'm not sure many people would rather have Olofsson on their team than Meier.

Let's see, Olofsson has 11 GWG in 200GP (5.5%)
And Meier has 17 in 408. (4.2%)

How exactly is Olofsson invisible? How many times has Meier been in the penalty box for the GWG against?

You do understand that the point of the game is to score more goals than the other team, right?

Based on averages...many people have a below average IQ.

And also not to miss, and also every game is different, sometimes you are destroyed physically, sometimes other teams are stronger (Tampa / Carolina), and we have players like Mittelstadt and Olofsson who do nothing, plus youth who are unstable ( Quinn, Peterka, Krebs). I don't see how this roster is fighting for the playoffs.

You can't prove to me with any fancy metrics that Olofsson is a better player than Meier, it just doesn't pass the eye test and I know it doesn't.

Swap olofsson with mittelstadt. If they would even do it. I've got room on my team for a great shooter. Mittelstadt?- not so much. He's not a top 6 center on a playoff team, and I can't imagine he's a bottom 6 center either.

Let's see...Olofsson is 21st in the league in 5v5 goals and Meier is 121st.

Not really sure how a player can play "horribly" 5v5 and the team has 6GF and 5GA when he is on the ice. Maybe we have very different definitions of horribly.

Nothing. I don't know what game you are watching. Mitts is 4th on the team among Fs in ice team and leads the team in both PP and PK play. And Olofsson is 5th in the league in goals.

Then we are great, we are not soft, Olofsson and Mittelstadt are great, only the team continues to suck.

But I think changes are needed.

Yeap, I'm fully prepared to trade Mittelstadt or Olofsson or both.

The team is 7-6 while playing without 3 of their top D-men for most of the season. I don't know how you define "suck", but we're top-17 in the league in points percentage. And your idea to make the team better is to remove our top goal scorer, a top 4 D-man a 1st round pick and 2 former 1st round picks in Krebs and Rosen....for Meier, who won't move the needle and Peeke...who also won't move the needle.

Meier (9th)
Kunin (15th)
Peeke (34th)

Olofsson (7th round)
Rosen (14th)
1st (let's say 12th)
Joker (29th)
Krebs (17th overall)

Let's leave Meier and Oloffson out of this discussion

You're proposing we trade 4 1st rounds picks for a mid-1st and a high 2nd. Would you ever do that on draft day?

12th, 14th, 17th 29th <> 15th and 34th

Well, if everything suits you, you can do nothing, the team lost to Arizona because they did not have four defenders? Maybe we lost to Montreal, Tampa and Carolina, because there are problems in attack and in general not many of our forwards are so versatile? Next Vegas and Boston, I hope they improve, but the trend is bad.

Jokiharju is a dubious top 4 defender, he's constantly injured and had a terrible last season. Andrew Peeke is a quality defender with a good contract that will cover Power defensively and add physical play.

Even if it's an overpayment, you can get Olofsson or Joki out of the deal. No problem. Not sure how much Peeke will be worth, I would gladly replace Krebs with Mittelstadt in this deal, although Columbus may not agree.

Timo Meier is a damn good player, of course this trade implies that Adams will expand him in advance on a reasonable contract,

I mainly replace soft and unstable players with those who can qualitatively improve roster, who play a physical game and are relatively young. It doesn't have to be Kunin, but maybe a player like him from another team. In the off-season, Adams kicked a tires on Robertson, in the summer there were rumors that he wants to add a legiti top 6 forward, so he is probably looking for a boost in this direction and we need it.

Olofsson is 27 and has a $4.75mm cap hit. Meier is 26. Not sure why you're using out of date stats, but if it makes you feel better, I guess.

Which one I found and use. Olofsson is basically the same player, yes he has scored 9 goals this season, mainly with his great shot, 3-4 of them into empty nets at the end of the game. But nothing more. It is important to score goals, but if you want to keep Olofsson, then you have to replace other players. It doesn't matter to me how much he earns 4 or 6, what matters is that Meier is a better player for me than Olofsson in everything except shooting probably, although he scored 35 goals last season and has mostly been at PPG pace over the past year.

Maybe we beat CHI because Olofsson had a GWG in OT. Maybe we won games because he scored empty-netters to seal the deal.

Maybe Meier is -3 in giveaways and takeaways and Olofsson is a plus 4.

Maybe, just maybe, Olofsson is helping his team win....and Meier...is not.

The 7 games that BUF has won...Olofsson has 2 goals in 4 of them. How is he so invisible to you?
In the 3 games that SJ has won...Meier has 1 goal total.....compared to Olofsson's 8.

Meier > Olofsson period

I don't understand how you don't see this. I take into account not only this season.

Not sure how you can say "period", when one player scores at .69ppg rate and the other scores .67. It's pretty ridiculous.