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Horvat Trade

Created by: Doctor_Giggles
Published: Nov. 18, 2022 at 1:41 a.m.
Salary Cap: $82,500,000
Season Days: 146/185 (79%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has met the central registry's trade checklist

Logo of the Columbus Blue JacketsColumbus Blue Jackets

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Nyquist, GustavColumbus Blue JacketsNHL-$5,500,000011---15246--
Boqvist, AdamColumbus Blue JacketsLTIR-$2,600,000011---4000--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Horvat, BoVancouver CanucksNHL-$5,500,000011---1714620--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$650,0002243613712
Change$00-1-1000
Final$650,0002242 (↓)60 (↓)371212214

Logo of the Vancouver CanucksVancouver Canucks

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Horvat, BoVancouver CanucksNHL-$5,500,000011---1714620--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Nyquist, GustavColumbus Blue JacketsNHL-$5,500,000011---15246--
Boqvist, AdamColumbus Blue JacketsLTIR-$2,600,000011---4000--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$927,0832347693511
Change$0011000
Final$927,0832348 (↑)70 (↑)3511-12-2-14
Nov. 18, 2022 at 1:54 a.m.
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That offer gets beat easily
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Nov. 18, 2022 at 6:21 a.m.
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Try a 2023 1st, and Corson Cuelemans on top of the above. Then one of Jack Roslovic or Gustav Nyquist
Nov. 18, 2022 at 9:05 a.m.
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
Try a 2023 1st, and Corson Cuelemans on top of the above. Then one of Jack Roslovic or Gustav Nyquist


😂
He's not worth a top 3 pick plus a top defensive prospect plus a top pair RD in boqvist, Pluss plus

He's a good 2nd line center , on an expiring contract. Now if you wanted to move petterson? Then we can talk 2023 1st
Nov. 18, 2022 at 10:03 a.m.
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😂
He's not worth a top 3 pick plus a top defensive prospect plus a top pair RD in boqvist, Pluss plus

He's a good 2nd line center , on an expiring contract. Now if you wanted to move petterson? Then we can talk 2023 1st


You don't want Skinny Pete. little johnny Skinny Pete and Laine are all soft non physical and defensive liabilities. It'd be a disaster!
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Nov. 18, 2022 at 1:56 p.m.
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You don't want Skinny Pete. little johnny Skinny Pete and Laine are all soft non physical and defensive liabilities. It'd be a disaster!


Lol no he wouldnt be ideal but atleast his skills would warrant a top 3 pick, and hey, there's nothing saying those 3 would HAVE TO play on the same line. Probably a more balanced attack if they didn't too!
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Nov. 18, 2022 at 2:20 p.m.
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Lol no he wouldnt be ideal but atleast his skills would warrant a top 3 pick, and hey, there's nothing saying those 3 would HAVE TO play on the same line. Probably a more balanced attack if they didn't too!


You'd be better off with Horvat.
Nov. 18, 2022 at 4:47 p.m.
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You'd be better off with Horvat.


Not for a top 3 pick tho
Nov. 18, 2022 at 5:26 p.m.
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Quoting: PantsOffnJacket
😂
He's not worth a top 3 pick plus a top defensive prospect plus a top pair RD in boqvist, Pluss plus

He's a good 2nd line center , on an expiring contract. Now if you wanted to move petterson? Then we can talk 2023 1st


Corson Cuelemans isn't a top defensive prospect, you're talking about David Jiricek whom I'm not asking for
Feb. 10, 2023 at 12:19 a.m.
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Not a Top Defense Prospect? Ceulemans was the 25th pick in 2021 😂 He was one of the Top 4 Defensemen in that Draft and Is looking good for Wisconsin!! He a big Boy who plays D and can run the power play plus he's snipes😉 He was playing injured and sick most of year and still went .66 ppg as a defensemen!!
Feb. 10, 2023 at 12:22 a.m.
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Corson Cuelemans isn't a top defensive prospect, you're talking about David Jiricek whom I'm not asking for


Not a Top Defense Prospect? Ceulemans was the 25th pick in 2021 😂 He was one of the Top 4 Defensemen in that Draft and Is looking good for Wisconsin!! He a big Boy who plays D and can run the power play plus he's snipes😉 He was playing injured and sick most of year and still went .66 ppg as a defensemen!!
Feb. 10, 2023 at 12:25 a.m.
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You don't want Skinny Pete. little johnny Skinny Pete and Laine are all soft non physical and defensive liabilities. It'd be a disaster!



How Dare You!! Frickin Skinny Pete😂 I meant Our(Columbus) 2024 1st round pick!! No way i was giving up Bedard or Fantilli, etc etc Lol
Feb. 23, 2023 at 7:19 a.m.
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Quoting: Doctor_Giggles
Not a Top Defense Prospect? Ceulemans was the 25th pick in 2021 😂 He was one of the Top 4 Defensemen in that Draft and Is looking good for Wisconsin!! He a big Boy who plays D and can run the power play plus he's snipes😉 He was playing injured and sick most of year and still went .66 ppg as a defensemen!!


When you say he snipes, you make it sound kind of tongue and cheek. Nobody is a top 4 defenseman when they're drafted, they simply PROJECT as a top four defenseman
Feb. 23, 2023 at 8:55 a.m.
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Long irrelevant now, but Ceulemans has value and pedigree yet should be at least considered a moveable asset, depending on how he is internally assessed relative to Mateychuk, Hreschuk, and Svozil. Horvat would have needed at least a high likelihood of extension, and yes this is old, but pending UFA does nothing for non-contenders. Will talk about Roslovic tho.

Yeah, CBJ’s ‘23 pick is untouchable without protection. Bedard might be worth more than just about ANYONE; those years of inexpensive control are golden. Would they even trade him for McDavid? (Gaudreau might force their hand, and no prospect is a sure bet.) But taking into account value with this static hard cap, even most stars wouldn’t justify a trade. (I do lust after Nugent-Hopkins’ long, team-friendly contract to a disturbing extent. My psychiatrist is doing all he can but to no avail.)

Beyond Bedard, the alleged second tier is three deep. More accurately, probably Fantilli at tier 1.5 and Carlsson and Michkov at tier 2. But Michkov should be out of consideration, even discounting the KHL red tape and Eurasian “situation,” given CBJ’s history with top-5 Russians. So CBJ could move the pick with top-3 protection. If they see Fantilli clearly a class above Carlsson, maybe only top-2 protected. For the right deal.

Really thought CBJ should have pursued Pettersson or Hughes when they were both unsigned RFAs and VAN was up against the cap. Now it’s down to Pete, who has dissuaded notions that 2020-21 was anything but an aberration. $8.8M+ is still a hefty QO; obviously you have to pay for quality, but it sets a high artificial floor that would complicate long-term negotiations. All that goes into value, just as much as talent.

As for “Skinny Pete,” CBJ have already cast their lot. A historical identity as bulking bruisers looks good for street cred, but led to little real success. Johnny isn’t due for another growth spurt for quite awhile. Laine is built like a linebacker (from American football; Google if so required) but has the confidence of a shelter kitten. Sports psychologists can be hucksters and illusionists (I said I see a psychiatrist—they can prescribe meds!) but would be worth the shot to unlock Laine’s full potential. Maybe even a hypnotist?

Seriously, though, Kent Johnson has the most skill on the team, and he’s 103 pounds sopping wet. Sillinger, Chinakov, Boqvist, Foudy, and on and on…the system is filled with guys that would be vaporized in bygone eras. One player will not make a difference. In fact, a player of the same ilk will better fit the system to which CBJ must now commit. Oh, the fourth/checking/“energy” line will always be around, with someone like Kuraly at the helm, but around a fourth line one does not build a team.

Nope, never got into a fair return for Pete. But both teams are focused elsewhere now. That’s a deal for July.

Best wishes at the deadline and lottery. Say hello to Ryan Reynolds if you bump into him. I’d “switch teams” if given the chance at that dreamboat. 😉🤫
 
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