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Avs say no. Maybe a 24 1st, but for Rico I think there would have to be more coming back. Avs prospect pool is too depleted to spend a deep draft 1st on a 33-34 year old. He isn't a rental but I don't think Rico is worth a 1st. What value do you place on the retention?
Also if you're going to sign Myers and Mayfield, can we pleeeaase have Helleson back? lol

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Dec. 2, 2022 at 9:24 a.m.

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Dec. 2, 2022 at 9:41 a.m.

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While I don't think Henrique warrants the 2023 1st, I'd offer the 2024 1st + Beaucage or another similar-caliber of prospect.

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Dec. 2, 2022 at 9:41 a.m.

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First, why would any in demand FA (typically older guys like Mayfield) sign with Anaheim? Not a shot at the team or organization or city - just no way this team is competing for anything meaningful for next 2, maybe 3 years, at best. And on the flip side - why would Ducks sign any FA to term or significant $? Same as this year, sign short term guys that can be flipped at 24 TDL. Everything should be geared towards maximizing squad and cap flexibility when competitive window opens in 2-3 years.

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Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:13 a.m.

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The argument could also have been made this past season, and yet we landed Strome and Vatrano. This is why I selected Mayfield and gave him a major raise over his current deal, his incentive to come here is he'll get a payday. Watching the ducks this season has been difficult due to an utter lack of defensely minded players on our back end, as Kulikov can't do it all himself. I'd like to not burn up Gibson, and offer Dostal some protection to not ruin his development.

Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:22 a.m.

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A lot of teams were cap strapped this year, and neither Vatrano nor Strome were in high demand, imo. Any RHD FA will be in high demand this year - position of need for a lot of teams - and if cap goes up as expected, a lot of teams will have money. Could be wrong but don’t see Mayfield signing with Ducks unless they throw the bank at him (which makes no sense to do)

Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:41 a.m.

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Could be wrong but don’t see Mayfield signing with Ducks unless they throw the bank at him (which makes no sense to do)

I think we can all agree the Ducks need a top-4 RHD. Calling that guy "Mayfield" on this ACGM doesn't really change or mean anything beyond that fact.

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Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:59 a.m.

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There are also a fair few that will be available, Dumba, Severson, Klingberg, Gudas, etc. Pair this with Mayfield is either already, or about to be eclipsed by Dobson for 2RD, it seems like Mayfield will be available, if he wants to get paid. There's potentially more cap available, but there's also likely a lot of players who have been hanging around waiting on paydays, that few million will go fast.

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While I don't think Henrique warrants the 2023 1st, I'd offer the 2024 1st + Beaucage or another similar-caliber of prospect.

I can see the argument for this, but I guess it comes down to where do you think the 23 and 24 picks will be, and do you not think Beaucage has what it takes to make it in the show? I know the rumors are that there will still be good prospects hanging around at the bottom of the 1st round this year, but you'd be giving up a player that looks like he will make it and a 1st in order to save a 1st that's just supposed to be "good". The reason for the Ducks to covet the 23 is to stock the cupboard early to try and accelerate out of this rebuild. We could add something minor to make up any perceived balance difference, like ANA's 23 4th, or a non Helleson RHD prospect, possible Axel Andersson. Only real reason I don't jump at the 24 and Beaucage is because I think the RW is going to be set for a while (Terry/Strome) and we wouldn't really be able to use him effectively unless he feels confident playing on the left as well.

Dec. 2, 2022 at 12:06 p.m.

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It's not signing Myers, rather taking the last year of his deal, and of course that could be dropped if we feel Helleson is ready to go. We're going to have a hole in our top 4 RD for a few years while the guys Verbeek just drafted develop. If Helleson were to break out mid year, we could always move Myers with retention, but an extra few months marinating in the AHL isn't going to hurt him, and there's always the shot for NHL call up due to injury.

As to Rico, we are retaining somewhere around 4-5 million on him, and you would get however long you have him this season (could be before TDL) and all of next year. He is still a top 6 player who puts up ~45 points year in and year out, and had a hell of a season last year. We feel that with retention he should bring in a 1st. We could add something minor to make up any perceived balance difference, like ANA's 23 4th, or a non Helleson RHD prospect, possible Axel Andersson.

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Dec. 2, 2022 at 12:22 p.m.

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I think we can all agree the Ducks need a top-4 RHD. Calling that guy "Mayfield" on this ACGM doesn't really change or mean anything beyond that fact.

What did you write? This team - try to string words together so they make sense. I called him “Mayfield” because that’s literally his name and that is the RHD FA this post has signing for the Ducks next year.
Leafs need a top 6 winger - it doesn’t mean that I can post an ACGM saying Pasta signs with the Leafs. It’s possible but very unlikely. Highly doubtful, imo, that any top FA signs in Anaheim - they will not be competitive for a few more years (if then). Everyone will get paid - cap is going up - and a lot of teams need RHD and imo preference will be teams that can win in near future.
But time will tell.

Dec. 2, 2022 at 12:26 p.m.

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I do believe Beaucage could succeed, I've just heard he's had trouble with skating in some cases, which is a massive red flag considering the Avs game revolves a lot around fast skating and puck moving. I think he is worth a decent amount, but maybe a lesser prospect is warranted in this case. I'm just not keen on giving up a pick in what some say is one of the deepest drafts since 2003 for anything less than a current 1st line center.

Dec. 2, 2022 at 1:05 p.m.

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I don't want to come off as a Rico hater or anything but he isn't worth a 1st at his age. If done around the tdl, it is a very little amount of cap retained for this year/need for that retention. It will be the big cap hits that retention will cost a premium. Next year retention does hold value but that value is 2.9m not 4-5m. Ducks have some names to sign so I understand 2.9m could matter. Given the '23 draft being so stacked, I think there's only one FWD on the block that deserves a 1st(no not Monahan) n its Kane. RoR is likely to ride out the year with STL. Not familair with your prospect pool to say if Axel makes up the difference. Will have to look into it. What are some of the Ducks needs and do you guys expect a top 4 rd out of Helleson? He was always proejcted as a 3rd pair reliable a-hole to play against.
Thank you for the explination.

Dec. 2, 2022 at 1:39 p.m.

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I'd be happy if Helleson can be a bottom 4 guy, Drysdale *Should* develop into a top pairing RHD, and that leaves a question mark at 2RD looking forward a few seasons. Maybe Luneau or Warren take the spot, its hard to predict that far out with 18 and 19 year old guys. Warren looked like he might break into the roster sooner rather than later based on watching him in the pre season. I don't really know what we're going to do with Fowler going forward, but he is a known quantity in an otherwise unknown D core.

Axel was supposed to be an offensive D, but seems to have not have had his skills translate to pro in that regard, he's been developing into a stay at home D, but one of his big attributes are his speed and agility, might be a good 3RD for you guys, and can still probably crack it as a backup 2PPQB. We got him in the Kase deal from Boston a couple years back.

Ducks needs on the roster, we need a top 4 RHD of the defensive variety, we are going to need a top line LW, I would prefer it to be a power forward variety (what I would give to get Timo Meier for the Zegras Terry line). We're set at Center, Goaltending, and have a lot of internal options at LD. There's maybe some questions for bottom 6 wingers, kind of depends on what Verbeek wants to do.

I'd agree that if Rico was a rental, even with 50% retention he would not be worth a first, the question that comes up is, with another year of him at a sub 3 cap hit, does that push the needle far enough. I think it does, but maybe not for the 23, or maybe Anaheim needs to add a little bit, which i'm not opposed to.

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Dec. 2, 2022 at 2:10 p.m.

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Thank you for that insight. Axel doesn't sound like a bad top up if he can mold into a reliable 2nd/3rd rhd. We got Manson for 3 more years and EJ probably returns for 1 more. He could get top reps in the AHL next season.

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Dec. 2, 2022 at 3:17 p.m.

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It's not that hard. Mayfield is a PLACEHOLDER for any RHD that the ducks bring in this summer. If the Ducks don't get that one specific player it doesn't matter so long as they get a guy SIMILAR to the one named here.

Dec. 2, 2022 at 3:37 p.m.

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Man, this forum would be so much nicer if dealing with the average Leafs fan was even half as pleasant as talking to you guys.

Dec. 2, 2022 at 4:00 p.m.

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Thank you, apparently it was that hard but I appreciate the clarification. But no matter who the RHD FA is - Argument holds, imo sought after free agents don’t sign (typically) with teams in a rebuild.

Dec. 2, 2022 at 4:33 p.m.

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