I think this could happen, but I don't know if Lou will trade Bailey mid season. (I would love him to, I just don't know if I see him doing it.) With that being said if Isles got rid of Bailey the may have to get rid of Dufour like you put. I don't know about Ishakov and Salo in the deal as well. Overall that's a very big haul for Kane but getting rid of bailey helps the islanders past this year so could happen.

So wheres the payment for Bailey then? Salo and Iskhakov definitely don't hold enough value to pay for dumping him.

bro what 💀

Am I speaking a different language or something?

With no retention on Kaner, this offer definitely gets a conversation started. The 2023 1st and DuFour are attractive pieces. To me, Iskhakov is the definition of a boom or bust prospect. Salo is of no real value to the Hawks. They have a glut of left shot D. My feeling is Hawks would ask for another pick (2024 3rd??) in place of Salo. Bailey's not as attractive as Beau but he's still a decent player - probably just overpaid for what he provides.

Retention is moot. If a team is offering better pieces but the team making the offer requires retention, CHI takes that offer over this one all day. Also Bailey is a cap dump that needs to be paid for. Even if Kane will only go to NYI, CHI should be asking for different pieces.

I sure hope you are

What do you suppose Iskhakov and Salo are worth?

I think that they are worth more than just dumping a year and 20 games of Bailey lmao.

Cool. Then keep them or sell them to someone else. After that, we can talk about pieces that actually have value to CHI.

if you dont think they have value to Chicago, you are just lying lmao.

Ok, bud. Good talk.

Only thing I don't agree w/ is that retention is moot. If that slot isn't used on Kaner, it can be used on someone else, improving the return on that deal. Maybe even a flip of Bailey. Bailey is still a useful player. He's just not a $5m player. Same as Tyler Johnson.

What pieces do you see in this deal? Just curious.

Retention is moot because it is only for this season. If it were any longer than that it would be different. The whole point of conserving retention slots is to make sure we have enough for Kane and Toews should they ask for a trade. Also, I would agree with you if this were last season or the summer, but this season, prior to injury, Tyler Johnson was pretty CHI's best forward. So, him and Bailey are not the same. Bailey has been playing awful hockey for quite a while now. He has been considered a cap dump going all the way back to this time last year and maybe even longer. He isn't useful at the NHL level anymore. So, unless Davidson just doesn't care about being compensated and wants him to take up a roster spot and get us to the cap floor, I don't consider him anything more than that.

What I see is Iskhakov is a guy who will never really make it past the AHL level. He'll be a tweener for a couple years before he becomes an AHL lifer or goes back to Russia. A good couple months isn't going to change that. He doesn't have the build, speed, or compete level for any sort of sustained success at the NHL level. Probably the same with Salo. It's pretty much what Salo has already been, a tweener that just can't seem to stick at the NHL level. Maybe a 3rd pairing d-man on a mediocre NHL team. Plus we have plenty of LHD as it is, and most of them would have him quickly moving down CHI's depth chart within a year or so. Neither of them can skate that well and neither have much trade value, if any. So that leaves Dufour and a late 1st paying for Kane and then CHI taking a $5M cap dump for nothing.

This proposal is essentially paying for Kane and then sending us a handful of scraps and a dump.

What would the retention be worth then? Because to me, asking to retain fully on Kane is gotta be a similar cost to eating the Bailey contract. Both will cost $5M this year, and while Bailey has an extra year, having him stick around in his walk year saves you the work of having to try and find another Max Domi & Andreas Athanasiou this offseason. I don't think he's really blocking anyone (correct me if I'm wrong), and if he stays healthy and produces at his normal 40ish point pace he becomes an okay chip next deadline.

And I know it's minimal value, but there is *something* to taking back cap in a Kane deal (or a Toews deal, for that matter) - if you let another team send back a $5M deal, it works the same as retaining for them without eating a slot. As I count it, Chicago has 4 assets almost guaranteed to be flipped out at the deadline - Kane, Toews, Domi, & Athanasiou. If you can take back a cap hit instead of a retention on one, you still have 3 retention slots for the other guys - and that's gotta be worth something no?

Lotta words to basically say if you think that Kane's full retention would cost a 3rd, I'd think the Isles could just pin one to the back of Bailey's jersey and have it more or less be the same, no?

Not the same. But I suspect you already know that. haha.

To me, Kanes price is his price, with or without retention. Also, I personally won't buy in on Iskhakov until he is producing at the NHL level, at which point it will probably be too late. But, as of now I look at that as Dufour and a 1st paying for Kane and then an expensive cap dump paid for with some scraps. Too many times I've seen little guys like him dominate the AHL and then they can't get anything done at the NHL level. We have like two or three of them playing with our own AHL affiliate, the Rockford Icehogs, right now.

Fair enough! I'd just as soon leave Bailey out of the trade as well if I were doing it, just enjoy playing a little devil's advocate now and then.