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Getting ppl mad about trades

Created by: GFD1996
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 4, 2022
Published: Dec. 12, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Fogarty, Steven
  2. Foligno, Marcus
  3. 2023 4th round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. Simmonds, Wayne
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
  4. 2024 5th round pick (TOR)
2.
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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Logo of the OTT
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$82,500,000$80,123,746$212,500$0$2,376,254

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$4,125,000$4,125,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$950,000$950,000
LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Minnesota Wild
$3,100,000$3,100,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$750,000$750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$840,630$840,630
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$850,000$850,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$827,500$827,500
C, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$850,000$850,000
RD
RFA - 1

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Dec. 12, 2022 at 5:33 p.m.
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Now that is fair value for Horvat and Schenn, Leafs fans bouta go crazy.
Dec. 12, 2022 at 5:39 p.m.
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Canucks accept, Wild decline
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Dec. 12, 2022 at 6:20 p.m.
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Easy decline by Wild. An extreme overpay by the Leafs for Horvat and Schenn. Holl and Schenn cancel each other. So the Leafs trade Robertson, Niemela, 1st, Kallgren and Kerfoot. Horvat isn't needed by the Leafs. Can't see any team offering as much for Horvat.
Dec. 12, 2022 at 11:19 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Easy decline by Wild. An extreme overpay by the Leafs for Horvat and Schenn. Holl and Schenn cancel each other. So the Leafs trade Robertson, Niemela, 1st, Kallgren and Kerfoot. Horvat isn't needed by the Leafs. Can't see any team offering as much for Horvat.


It’s an overpay but Holl and Schenn do not cancel each other out
Dec. 12, 2022 at 11:25 p.m.
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It’s an overpay but Holl and Schenn do not cancel each other out


You're right. Holl's playing value is more, but Schenn makes less, which the Leafs might need.
Dec. 13, 2022 at 1:57 a.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Easy decline by Wild. An extreme overpay by the Leafs for Horvat and Schenn. Holl and Schenn cancel each other. So the Leafs trade Robertson, Niemela, 1st, Kallgren and Kerfoot. Horvat isn't needed by the Leafs. Can't see any team offering as much for Horvat.


Literally every logical analyst has noted the need for the Leafs to add an impact top 6 forward... Kerfoot literally brings nothing to the table other than cap balance. Why would MIN decline? Foligno has 8 points in 23 games plus they gain draft capital....
Dec. 13, 2022 at 2:18 a.m.
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Quoting: GFD1996
Literally every logical analyst has noted the need for the Leafs to add an impact top 6 forward... Kerfoot literally brings nothing to the table other than cap balance. Why would MIN decline? Foligno has 8 points in 23 games plus they gain draft capital....


Because Engvall and Simmonds are nothing burgers to Minnesota and the 3rd and 5th aren't remotely interesting for us either.

Specifically, we turn this down for multiple reasons.

1) Marcus Foligno is one of the best defensive forwards in hockey. This isn't hyperbole. It's backed up by stats and analytics and he has been getting Selke votes for the last three years.

For reference, his line of Greenway/Eriksson-Ek/Foligno has been the best shutdown line in hockey for the last couple of years. Hell, they're the only line to allow fewer than 10 goals last year.

2) He is routinely in the top ten for hits in the league. And for a team that was already lacking in physicality and size, they decided to bring in Ryan Reaves. So they're just going to move him for that substandard return?

3) He's the beating heart and soul of the team. Kaprizov may be the engine, but Foligno is the drivetrain/transmission. It would take an extreme overpay for us to even remotely consider it, which this is not.

His leadership both on and off the ice makes him untouchable.

Frankly, points mean jacksquat when it comes to his overall value. Both Coleman and Goodrow got 1st's, that's the absolute f'ing minimum any negotiation starts with where he's concerned. And it'll still likely take more than that for us to consider it.
 
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