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Horvat to Seattle and Demko to Edmonton

Created by: Angusc
Team: 2023-24 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 22, 2022
Published: Dec. 22, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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If the Canucks want a hockey trade they're talking about for Bo and not rebuild, does this work for both teams? They get Dunn (I know he'll get around 6.5 million rather than the 5.5 million I put), a defenceman who can seemingly play right side, and Wennberg a center who has one more year before UFA. Also, Oilers may want to have a goalie swap next season, but it's possibly unlikely.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$2,500,000
5$5,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,500,000
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Johansen, Ryan
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Trade deadline
2.
VAN
ANA
  1. Myers, Tyler
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (VAN)
3.
VAN
  1. Dunn, Vince [RFA Rights]
  2. Wennberg, Alexander
  3. 2023 1st round pick (SEA)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (SEA)
  5. 2024 3rd round pick (TOR)
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I highly doubt Seattle does this unless they want playoffs this season.
SEA
    Horvat 50% retained
    4.
    VAN
    1. Campbell, Jack
    2. 2023 2nd round pick (EDM)
    3. 2024 2nd round pick (EDM)
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    2023
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    2024
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    2025
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    21$83,500,000$65,887,500$850,000$850,000$17,612,500
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    $4,750,000$4,750,000
    LW, RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
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    $7,350,000$7,350,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
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    $6,650,000$6,650,000
    RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
    RW, LW
    RFA - 1
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    $4,000,000$4,000,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $4,950,000$4,950,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $3,250,000$3,250,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Seattle Kraken
    $2,250,000$2,250,000
    C
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
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    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 2
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    $825,000$825,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
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    $762,500$762,500
    C
    UFA - 1
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    $762,500$762,500
    RW, C
    RFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    $7,850,000$7,850,000
    LD
    UFA - 4
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $2,250,000$2,250,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $762,500$762,500
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $1,350,000$1,350,000
    LD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 3
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $850,000$850,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 2

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    Dec. 22, 2022 at 2:59 a.m.
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    That Demko trade is awful. It may take a 1st to dump Campbell at this point, then Edmonton still has to pay for Demko
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    Dec. 22, 2022 at 3:58 a.m.
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    It took 5 years for people to clue in that Gibson is overrated, but it takes 15 games for Demko to go from top 10 goalie to crap all? Wake up people.
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    Dec. 22, 2022 at 8:37 a.m.
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    Nashville doesn’t want anything to do with that Miller contract. Going into next year, Johansen only has two years left at 8m, which is a storm I think the Preds can weather. Miller is only a year younger, and it is almost certain that his extension will not age well
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    Dec. 22, 2022 at 11:17 a.m.
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    I do think Seattle is trying to make the playoffs this season, however I'm not sure a Horvat trade is a perfect fit for either side.

    First, about the trade itself. I do think the value posted is pretty close to what the Canucks will eventually receive, however I do have a couple of suggestions. If rumors are to be believed, the Canucks are looking for a young NHL-ready RHD and Center as the core of any return for Horvat. Wennberg isn't exactly what I would call "young," and Seattle's not trading Beniers or Wright, so Geekie might be a better alternative for them. The Kraken also likely wouldn't need salary retention, as the salaries they'd be sending out are roughly equal to Horvat's. Replacing Wennberg with Geekie and removing salary retention would necessitate dropping the second rounder from the return, so the final trade that would make more sense to me would be Dunn, Geekie, a 2023 1st, and 2024 3rd for Horvat. However I highly doubt such a deal will happen.

    From Seattle's point of view, pulling the trigger on a Horvat blockbuster like this one would almost be a one step forward, one step backward scenario. Yes, upgrading from Wennberg to Horvat would improve the center spot and help with faceoffs, an area in which they have been rumored to be seeking improvements. However, losing Dunn may completely negate that, as he's been one of the team's defensive anchors this season and formed a highly effective partnership with Larsson. Plus, the Kraken are still a newer franchise whose true cup contention window is still in the future. It doesn't make sense for them to give up core pieces of their team as well as valuable draft picks for a rental in a season in which they are closer to a pleasant surprise rather than a bonafide contender (I am aware Horvat could sign an extension with the team he gets traded to, but until he does he's still a rental). If anything, I think Seattle will make smaller moves this deadline to bolster areas of need (like goaltending) in a playoff push rather than swing for the fences.

    From Vancouver's point of view, the NHL pieces Seattle can offer probably aren't exactly what the Canucks are looking for. Dunn fits the bill as a young NHL top-four defenseman, and he CAN play the right side, however he is undoubtedly better on his left, his natural side. As I explained above, Wennberg isn't exactly a young center, Seattle won't be trading Beniers or Wright, and I'm sure if they wanted to the Canucks could find a young center with more top-six potential than Geekie. Plus, I would imagine Vancouver would charge a premium to trade Horvat to a division rival, and that's a price Seattle would be unwilling to pay.

    Long story short, I think the trade value is reasonably accurate, but I don't think Seattle will end up being the team to pony up for Horvat. Interesting idea, though! I'm curious to see where he ends up.
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