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Meier w trade comps

Created by: DevilsFan69
Team: 2023-24 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 30, 2023
Published: Jan. 30, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,200,000
8$8,500,000
1$3,000,000
2$1,500,000
8$9,000,000
Trades
1.
NJD
  1. Meier, Timo [RFA Rights]
SJS
  1. Mukhamadullin, Shakir
  2. 2023 1st round pick (NJD)
Additional Details:
Comp: Kevin Fiala
2.
NJD
    Meier
    SJS
    1. Holtz, Alexander
    2. 2024 2nd round pick (NJD)
    3. 2024 3rd round pick (NJD)
    Additional Details:
    + ‘23 1st

    Comp: Alex DeBrincat (Holtz fills the gap between the devils mid 20s 1st this year and ottawas 7th overall last year)
    3.
    NJD
      Meier
      SJS
      1. McLeod, Michael [RFA Rights]
      2. 2023 2nd round pick (NJD)
      Additional Details:
      Comp: Pavel Buchnevich

      Yes I know this one isn’t happening

      It would be funny tho
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      UFA - 8
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      UFA - 2
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      Jan. 30, 2023 at 8:31 a.m.
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      Shaners79
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      If we do trade for Meier it will probably be like the Holtz offer but maybe adding something. It's going to be a bidding war.
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      Jan. 30, 2023 at 10:19 a.m.
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      i believe the fiala comp is the best one tbf
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      Jan. 30, 2023 at 10:26 a.m.
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      Quoting: loganocota
      i believe the fiala comp is the best one tbf


      Yea I think no matter what team gets him it’s gonna be a similar situation. Solid Prospect with a high-teens to early 20s 1st rounder and a long term extension in place.
      Jan. 30, 2023 at 10:41 a.m.
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      You aren’t getting a 26 yo 30+ goal scorer nearly ppg with team control for a discount like these trades. Y’all seem to greatly forget that San Jose can just keep him.
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      Jan. 30, 2023 at 10:50 a.m.
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      Quoting: glarson17
      You aren’t getting a 26 yo 30+ goal scorer nearly ppg with team control for a discount like these trades. Y’all seem to greatly forget that San Jose can just keep him.


      I listed a comparable for each of these packages. All of these were 30+ goal scorers (or on pace for over 82 games) at the time they were traded and all had RFA status. Top wingers like these typically seem to get less than expectation when they’re actually traded.
      Jan. 30, 2023 at 11:19 a.m.
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      Quoting: DevilsFan69
      I listed a comparable for each of these packages. All of these were 30+ goal scorers (or on pace for over 82 games) at the time they were traded and all had RFA status. Top wingers like these typically seem to get less than expectation when they’re actually traded.


      Looks like Meier is a shark then, they don’t have to move him
      Jan. 30, 2023 at 11:28 a.m.
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      Quoting: glarson17
      Looks like Meier is a shark then, they don’t have to move him


      That keeps them just mediocre enough to not get top 5 picks. He is going to be traded as the sharks are in a tank era
      Jan. 30, 2023 at 11:33 a.m.
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      Quoting: DevilsFan69
      That keeps them just mediocre enough to not get top 5 picks. He is going to be traded as the sharks are in a tank era


      If they don’t get a haul for him they will keep him Grier already said he’s the kind of guy you sign long term and put on your top line and never have to worry about him
      Jan. 30, 2023 at 11:34 a.m.
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      Quoting: DevilsFan69
      That keeps them just mediocre enough to not get top 5 picks. He is going to be traded as the sharks are in a tank era


      We're on our way to a top 5 pick!
      Jan. 30, 2023 at 11:44 a.m.
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      Quoting: glarson17
      You aren’t getting a 26 yo 30+ goal scorer nearly ppg with team control for a discount like these trades. Y’all seem to greatly forget that San Jose can just keep him.


      This is the homer refrain for quite literally every RFA winger who is rumored to be on the market. And it never happens. But who knows, maybe Meier will be the one!
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      Jan. 30, 2023 at 12:16 p.m.
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      Quoting: HeadHighSauce
      This is the homer refrain for quite literally every RFA winger who is rumored to be on the market. And it never happens. But who knows, maybe Meier will be the one!


      Homer, sure lol
      Jan. 30, 2023 at 12:19 p.m.
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      Quoting: glarson17
      Homer, sure lol


      Yes. Homer. You are a Sharks fan, are you not? lol Like this /literally/ just happened on this site with your purported 2nd favorite team.
      Jan. 30, 2023 at 12:21 p.m.
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      Quoting: HeadHighSauce
      Yes. Homer. You are a Sharks fan, are you not? lol Like this /literally/ just happened on this site with your purported 2nd favorite team.


      And devils fans are making trades for Meier to the devils, therefore they are homers too?
      Jan. 30, 2023 at 12:22 p.m.
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      Quoting: glarson17
      And devils fans are making trades for Meier to the devils, therefore they are homers too?


      Yes, and I'm quite sure some of the proposals are underpays for that reason.

      But to say "we don't have to trade him unless its an overpay because we can just keep him" is said for literally every RFA winger, and then theyre traded for less than the homer fans want/expect.

      It literally just happened with Fiala and Debrincat. Happened before that with Reinhart and Buchnevich. Maybe once has the RFA with heavy trade smoke extended because the offers weren't good enough (Boeser)
      Jan. 30, 2023 at 12:25 p.m.
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      Quoting: glarson17
      And devils fans are making trades for Meier to the devils, therefore they are homers too?


      Some are making ones that the devils are obviously the winner due to bias. This one has comparisons to trades in recent history to gauge what meiers realistic price could be
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      Jan. 30, 2023 at 12:51 p.m.
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      Quoting: HeadHighSauce
      Yes, and I'm quite sure some of the proposals are underpays for that reason.

      But to say "we don't have to trade him unless its an overpay because we can just keep him" is said for literally every RFA winger, and then theyre traded for less than the homer fans want/expect.

      It literally just happened with Fiala and Debrincat. Happened before that with Reinhart and Buchnevich. Maybe once has the RFA with heavy trade smoke extended because the offers weren't good enough (Boeser)


      Fiala every team knew Minny couldn’t afford him so He got less. Yes I’m sure every team has homers but it’s really true, the sharks don’t have to trade him. There are players that were true rentals last year that got more than the comps here so that’s why it has to be a haul. Could also use Tkachuk as a comp but I don’t see that.

      Quoting: DevilsFan69
      Some are making ones that the devils are obviously the winner due to bias. This one has comparisons to trades in recent history to gauge what meiers realistic price could be
      Jan. 30, 2023 at 1:06 p.m.
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      Quoting: glarson17
      Fiala every team knew Minny couldn’t afford him so He got less. Yes I’m sure every team has homers but it’s really true, the sharks don’t have to trade him. There are players that were true rentals last year that got more than the comps here so that’s why it has to be a haul. Could also use Tkachuk as a comp but I don’t see that.


      Okay so there's 1 of 4 - and that did not stop Wild fans on this site saying that Guerin would figure out a way to keep him and move out other pieces instead, so even that doesn't actually detract from main point The point is that we have like, 5 or 6 RFA wingers recently who were all heavily rumored to be moved, all 5 or 6's trade value was "defended" on this site with the premise "we can just keep him if the offers are this bad", and only 1 was actually extended (Boeser, who looks like he might be traded for a trash return anyway)
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