viable opponent for vasilevskiy only way id be ok with knies deal

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Rielly, Morgan $7,500,000$7,500,000 LD NMC UFA - 8	Liljegren, Timothy $1,400,000$1,400,000 RD RFA - 2	Saros, Juuse $5,000,000$5,000,000 G UFA - 3
Sandin, Rasmus $1,400,000$1,400,000 LD UFA - 2	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD NTC UFA - 2	Samsonov, Ilya $1,800,000$1,800,000 G UFA - 1
Giordano, Mark $800,000$800,000 LD UFA - 2	Holl, Justin $2,000,000$2,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1
	Gudas, Radko $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 1
	Timmins, Conor $850,000$850,000 RD RFA - 1

Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:06 p.m.

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NSH fans I know you're not trading Saros. I think it could make sense though. I'd add to the trade even. But understand if its a no.

Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:06 p.m.

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LOL that doesn't get Saros.
I wish it did though.

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Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:08 p.m.

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Quoting: Dominot

LOL that doesn't get Saros.
I wish it did though.

It's a decent starting offer, to get the conversation going.
But it's not enough.

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Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:09 p.m.

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Quoting: EvanderKanesLawyer

It's a decent starting offer, to get the conversation going.
But it's not enough.

yea thats really all I was shooting for. I think its a lower end offer but its a strong base if that makes sense. I think maybe a Niemela type prospect also ends up in the mix.

Top goalie deals involving any more than a team's #1 prospect and a 1st are rare though. Granted trading a goalie of Saros' calibre is also rare.

Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:13 p.m.

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NSH fans, genuinely want convo and input. I know Leafs likely add but I think this is a good base. I also think this is really the only thing left that could be done to truly put Toronto over the top, so would be curious if it's even a possibility and just how much more would have to be included. I think what would probably end up happening in a Leafs-Saros deal would be that Niemela also has be included.

Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:13 p.m.

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Idk, maybe Tampa sweeps the Leafs with Saros in net.

In 10-game vs TB in his career this is his save % and GAA: 882 3.71.

Murray vs TB in regular season is 895 and 3.01 in the same amount of games.

Samsonov has only played them twice ever and has decent stats against them. His inner slot sv % suggests that Nick Paul might not be too much of an issue even if he does crash the net and get the inside positioning on defenders.

Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:13 p.m.

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Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:15 p.m.

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Honestly not a horrible starting point as you've acknowledged, and you deserve credit for not absolutely low balling. I would have to think the Predators would want more as we've said. If I was them, I'm looking at 1.) Young forwards (their offense is ROUGH) 2.) Young D and 3.) NHL goalie to fill until they bring up Askarov/back him up.

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Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:15 p.m.

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Personally, I like that offer for Domi a lot. But I think I like Hirvonen and Moldenhauer more than most.

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Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:16 p.m.

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Personally, I like that offer for Domi a lot. But I think I like Hirvonen and Moldenhauer more than most.

Thought i'd get sh** on because people don't know prospects and prefer the shiny pick lol, I just think if Toronto goes for Domi it'll be a prospect going the other way not a pick. I also think him on a line with ZAR and Acciari would be a very mean, physical line that could chip in offensively. Domi's playmaking would go well with Acciari's net front finishing capabilities as well.

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Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:17 p.m.

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saros is untouchable. Giving that offer for Hart is more realistic. lets remember how good hart was the last time he had a competent team in front of him

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Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:18 p.m.

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Quoting: bluspy88

Honestly not a horrible starting point as you've acknowledged, and you deserve credit for not absolutely low balling. I would have to think the Predators would want more as we've said. If I was them, I'm looking at 1.) Young forwards (their offense is ROUGH) 2.) Young D and 3.) NHL goalie to fill until they bring up Askarov/back him up.

yea. Murray gives the stopgap for Askarov, Knies brings the young F, then the 1st could be used on another need. Maybe Niemela is what rounds the needs out for point #2 there.

Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:18 p.m.

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Quoting: leafs101

NSH fans, genuinely want convo and input. I know Leafs likely add but I think this is a good base. I also think this is really the only thing left that could be done to truly put Toronto over the top, so would be curious if it's even a possibility and just how much more would have to be included. I think what would probably end up happening in a Leafs-Saros deal would be that Niemela also has be included.

Quoting: leafs101

yea thats really all I was shooting for. I think its a lower end offer but its a strong base if that makes sense. I think maybe a Niemela type prospect also ends up in the mix.

Top goalie deals involving any more than a team's #1 prospect and a 1st are rare though. Granted trading a goalie of Saros' calibre is also rare.

Quoting: bluspy88

Honestly not a horrible starting point as you've acknowledged, and you deserve credit for not absolutely low balling. I would have to think the Predators would want more as we've said. If I was them, I'm looking at 1.) Young forwards (their offense is ROUGH) 2.) Young D and 3.) NHL goalie to fill until they bring up Askarov/back him up.

A good comparison I like to make is the Horvat deal. While he is a forward (two different positions) you gotta think we could net a similar return. Horvat got a blue chip prospect, a 1st, and a young roster player. Top end player, top end goalie. Different condiments, same sandwich.

If I'm moving a Vezina caliber goalie under a team friendly deal for the next 3 seasons, I'm asking for no less. The deal would have to really entice me to consider moving him.
But like I said, Knies and a 1st is a good conversation starter but it would likely cost more.

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Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:19 p.m.

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saros is untouchable. Giving that offer for Hart is more realistic. lets remember how good hart was the last time he had a competent team in front of him

I would agree except will NSH be contending again by the time Saros' deal is up and/or by the time Askarov is starter calibre? Maybe now, while his value is incredibly high and this draft is worth dropping in the standings for, is the time to do it.

Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:20 p.m.

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Quoting: EvanderKanesLawyer

A good comparison I like to make is the Horvat deal. While he is a forward (two different positions) you gotta think we could net a similar return. Horvat got a blue chip prospect, a 1st, and a young roster player. Top end player, top end goalie. Different condiments, same sandwich.

If I'm moving a Vezina caliber goalie under a team friendly deal for the next 3 seasons, I'm asking for no less. The deal would have to really entice me to consider moving him.
But like I said, Knies and a 1st is a good conversation starter but it would likely cost more.

Absolutely agreed. I would say they need someone who is already proven at the NHL level along with Knies for example, because at the end of the day until he's proven he is still a risk to bust.

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Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:21 p.m.

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Quoting: EvanderKanesLawyer

A good comparison I like to make is the Horvat deal. While he is a forward (two different positions) you gotta think we could net a similar return. Horvat got a blue chip prospect, a 1st, and a young roster player. Top end player, top end goalie. Different condiments, same sandwich.

If I'm moving a Vezina caliber goalie under a team friendly deal for the next 3 seasons, I'm asking for no less. The deal would have to really entice me to consider moving him.
But like I said, Knies and a 1st is a good conversation starter but it would likely cost more.

to me this deal basically is the horvat deal

knies > raty (prospect)
beau > murray (NHLer), Murray stopgaps the net position
1st

the 3rd is missing but I think Knies is that good a prospect that the value difference there is offset
granted I would be willing to add in another prospect. Probably anyone except Minten really (Minten only because I think he's our best F prospect after Knies now and we shouldn't move both)

Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:21 p.m.

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Quoting: leafs101

I would agree except will NSH be contending again by the time Saros' deal is up and/or by the time Askarov is starter calibre? Maybe now, while his value is incredibly high and this draft is worth dropping in the standings for, is the time to do it.

poille has never really been one to blow everything up. the time to do that was last year and he doubled down

Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:21 p.m.

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Quoting: leafs101

Thought i'd get sh** on because people don't know prospects and prefer the shiny pick lol, I just think if Toronto goes for Domi it'll be a prospect going the other way not a pick. I also think him on a line with ZAR and Acciari would be a very mean, physical line that could chip in offensively. Domi's playmaking would go well with Acciari's net front finishing capabilities as well.

For sure. That is just my own opinion too. But if I try to envision CHI actually doing this, I'm not sure I can see it. Davidson seems to really likes his picks and drafting in general, it's kind of his bread and butter. Plus, Hirvonen and Moldy are small guys. So, idk... But I like them.

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Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:22 p.m.

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Absolutely agreed. I would say they need someone who is already proven at the NHL level along with Knies for example, because at the end of the day until he's proven he is still a risk to bust.

i mean i'm sure the Hawks deal still works without kerfoot and they could have him. Could have Robertson as well who at least has had some body of work in the NHL. But to both of you appreciate the actually constructive discussion and glad to hear I at least provided a reasonable framework for this type of move.

Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:24 p.m.

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i mean i'm sure the Hawks deal still works without kerfoot and they could have him. Could have Robertson as well who at least has had some body of work in the NHL. But to both of you appreciate the actually constructive discussion and glad to hear I at least provided a reasonable framework for this type of move.

Oh I wasn't talking about the Hawks deal at all, my comment was about Saros. I think Saros will cost more than Horvat because he is under contract for more years, and yes Horvat got extended but there's still risk there.

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Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:24 p.m.

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poille has never really been one to blow everything up. the time to do that was last year and he doubled down

yea. I don't think its too late to blow up though. Could get very, very nice packages for Ekholm, Fabbro, Nino, Saros, and a couple others as well. I just think they're tracking to be the next San Jose and would be better suited making their moves today. Fair argument though absolutely.

Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:24 p.m.

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Quoting: leafs101

to me this deal basically is the horvat deal

knies > raty (prospect)
beau > murray (NHLer), Murray stopgaps the net position
1st

the 3rd is missing but I think Knies is that good a prospect that the value difference there is offset
granted I would be willing to add in another prospect. Probably anyone except Minten really (Minten only because I think he's our best F prospect after Knies now and we shouldn't move both)

Murray is a stopgap, but if I'm shipping Saros to Toronto, I'm asking for:

1st
Knies
Woll,

to get it started. Toronto would have to ship out one of Samsonov or Murray for it to work (ideally Murray), but if I'm Nashville's GM I'm not interested in taking Murray back. So the deal likely doesn't go through unless you can find a 3rd team to take on Murray

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Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:25 p.m.

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Oh I wasn't talking about the Hawks deal at all, my comment was about Saros. I think Saros will cost more than Horvat because he is under contract for more years, and yes Horvat got extended but there's still risk there.

no I know, you said they may also want another NHLer going with Knies and I was saying take Kerfoot off the Hawks deal and give him to NSH. Though I doubt that really moves the needle

Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:26 p.m.

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Quoting: EvanderKanesLawyer

Murray is a stopgap, but if I'm shipping Saros to Toronto, I'm asking for:

1st
Knies
Woll,

to get it started. Toronto would have to ship out one of Samsonov or Murray for it to work (ideally Murray), but if I'm Nashville's GM I'm not interested in taking Murray back. So the deal likely doesn't go through unless you can find a 3rd team to take on Murray

I'd give Woll too. Only reason I think they may want Murray in this is, if they go through with Saros deal they won't be planning on competing next season. Murray gives you an NHL body and some time to figure out the transition plan to Askarov over the next couple of years. But all fair points, appreciate the actually quality discussion from everyone on this post.

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Feb. 23, 2023 at 1:36 p.m.

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no I know, you said they may also want another NHLer going with Knies and I was saying take Kerfoot off the Hawks deal and give him to NSH. Though I doubt that really moves the needle

Gotcha. Yeah, Kerfoot I don't think is much of anything in such a deal. I think it'd be young (say, 26 or under) guys. Woll like you said is not a bad idea. I think they'd be more interested in Knies/Woll/1st than Murray to be honest. I know that Murray would need to be moved still, but from NSH perspective.

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