Kakko will not be part of this trade.

Nooooo no no no

This isn't prime Patrick Kane

Not even close.

It has already been reported that Kakko, Laffy, Miller, Othmann, Cuylle and the 2023 1st are off the table.
For the cap to work, Kravtsov has to be a piece of the trade and Leschyshyn has to be off the roster by 2/26/23. Those are two assets NYR are giving up. 2nds are definitely on the board for Kane, but keep in mind they also need to bear the cost of having a third party retain. NYR made moves already, Kane is not a necessity, and NYR are not going to empty the cupboard to get him. The absolute only way he comes to NYR is if Kane says only them and Chicago has to take the best offer. Regardless, we have to wait until 3/3 so NYR can accrue enough cap space to make the trade.

Or Chicago just keeps Kane if the return is too low. Kane isn't the Hawks GM.

And that's fine. He isn't going to resign to be on a rebuilding team, especially if he feels Chicago didn't do what he wanted. My guess is if he was traded, there is a chance he would go back in the offseason. There is zero chance of that happening if he asks to be moved to NYR, NYR does what they can to fit him in cap wise and Chicago doesn't do it. Then, chicago loses Kane for absolutely nothing in return.

NYR do not need Kane. Would he make them better? Yes, but he is not a necessity at this point.

Nothing is better in this case. If the Rangers are offering a crap return then Chicago should tell them to kick rocks.

I'd tell Kane "Hey look. We tried to trade you to the Rangers. They sent a crap offer. They obviously don't want you bad enough. You're staying in Chicago until the rest of the season. After that it's up to you."

So you're saying as Chicago's GM, you would be willing to take nothing and let Kane leave as a UFA after this season, rather than take something for him in trade now?

No, but he's shown just the last 5 games anytime he wants to turn it on, he can. Kane is still one of the best wingers in the game hands down.

That said this is obviously an overpay by NY, but Kane is still one of the best wingers in the game when he wants to be.

1000% Kane sells tickets and merchandising most importantly and every owner of a team knows revenues matter. Secondly, the GM will not accept a bad offer...that simply makes his next deal difficult to negotiate so he needs to show strength as his job goes way beyond just Kane.

LOL. So losing an asset for nothing somehow makes a GM look good. That's funny.

They're not offering anything good. There's no point in making this trade. Just a bunch of crap.

Knuckling under to a GM who's offering nothing gets GM's fired. You've obviously never negotiated a deal before. 🤭

It's what I do for a living, so there is that. And getting nothing for an asset is terrible negotiation. Sometimes you don't have any leverage, but you still need to do what is best for the company (or team) and get the most you can. instead of allowing your pride to impact your objectivity. In the case of Kane, there is nothing preventing the Hawks from trading him for what they can get and then signing him to a new deal after the season. If it's the Rangers that they trade with, there is no risk of the Rangers signing him because they cannot afford him. Philly did that last season with Justin Braun, so it happens. So how bad would the Chicago GM look if he made a trade for less than they hoped for but then got Kane back under contract for next season? Not bad at all, in fact he would look pretty damn smart.

If you do this for a living AND you only have to have a long term relationship with only 30 individuals, then you can't be short sighted in negotiations...character matters. You have to demonstrate the profile you want to project. If you show weakness, it impacts you long term simply put. It's better to demonstrate that just because it's the only offer, doesn't mean it's a good offer and the defense is simple, "he puts bodies in the seats and thus drives revenue. Sorry to say, but that is worth more then the offer you are proposing". Further, it demonstrates to the organization, team, and players you might want to sign in the future that you don't just trade players for scraps.

This isn't selling a widget to a wide market. Very different when you are dealing with people and finite market.

Lastly, Kane hasn't submitted a list of teams as of the end of day Wednesday, so there is nothing tangible for the GM to do anyway at this point. Kane is clearly struggling with the idea of leaving Chicago and the GM has done what is right and repeatedly said, he has a contract but also earned the right for us to give him as much time as he needs and we aren't going to push him to decide.

I agree Kane has earned the right to make the decision about staying or going, no one is arguing that. It was reported that he asked Chicago to approach the Rangers again, after the Tarasenko trade, not the other way around, which tells me that Kane WANTS TO PLAY IN NYC FOR THE PLAYOFFS, otherwise, he would not have said anything after the Tarasenko trade, So doesn't it follow that IF he wants a trade, and it's to only one team, Chicago should honor that and trade him, even if it's for less than what they want? The alternative is getting nothing for him and possibly forcing him to walk in free agency, rather than let him have a shot at a cup and then return next year with a new deal while also netting the organization some assets. If he walks and they get nothing for him, it is a clear LOSS for the organization, and that's the kind of stuff that gets GM's fired.

I don't know where you are hearing this, but provide a link. Everything coming out of Chicago and with reliable sources such as The Athletic and the GM himself have all said, Kane has yet to submit a list of teams. He only expressed disappointment about the Tarasenko move saying "it's one of the teams I've been considering", but there are repeated reports he still has yet to submit his waiver list. If you have a link from a reputable source that says he did, I'd be interested to read it.

That said, let's pretend he did submit one team and that's the NYR, and the return is a 3rd round pick, the GM would be stupid to take it; that is the kind of stuff that gets GM's fired for ignoring revenue, ignoring the culture impact to the team, and putting himself in a position of weakness with other GMs, Agents and players moving forward.

His list being Toronto and Rangers was widely reported by many reputable outlets, and his disappointment was obvious. It was also reported that he asked Chicago to reengage with the Rangers so maybe look outside Chicago for your news. I mean why would the Rangers go back to Chicago AFTER trading for Tarasenko instead of Kane. They wouldn't, so any negotiations between to two going on now was initiated by Chicago at Kane's request. And no one is saying the Rangers are offering a 3rd round pick for him, so get real. The rumor is Kravstov, Jones and a draft pick, but not this years 1st round pick, maybe next years or a 2nd round pick this year. In my world, that is way better than NOTHING. But if you prefer to get nothing that's your choice, because the Rangers are not giving up prime assets for a Kane rental. Maybe talk Kane into accepting other teams and one of them will give up the farm to rent him.

I'm sorry and no offense, but you aren't reading the news correctly...you are reading into something that never happened passing that off as fact....a lot of amateur journalists are getting it work as well.

Let me help look at this objectively...factually. Kane or his agent never officially submitted his list to the Hawks front office. The front office has been wanting to trade him for rebuild assets going back to the beginning of the season. The interviews with Kane you are referencing are post/pre game interviews where he mentioned casually those were teams he was "considering" but hasn't made a decision yet on where he will waive for. It is widely known, and factually supported by Kane's own agent, as of Wednesday night Kane and his agent have not submitted Kane's list of teams he is willing to waive for yet.

Point and case; this just posted today in the news from his agent...it's very important to zero in on actual quotes versus media speculation but here's the latest quote directly from his agent...
https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-trade-buzz-news-and-notes-february-24/c-341456226

You are taking facts and media speculation and turning them into a story that factually isn't true based on your last comment.

So you think his agent is going to tell the truth to the media and not do everything he can to protect his client and his image? Ok, sure, whatever. I truly hope Kane does NOT want to go to the Rangers and the rumors and reports are all wrong. Much rather see the Rangers trade for a Lafferty type player and shore up the 4th line without giving away assets for another high priced rental.

It's not only his agent, the GM and Kane have said the same thing this week. Kane is quoted as he still has decided and talking to his family about it. The GM has also said as of Wednesday night they don't have Kane's list. Bison, Kane's agent, just spoke today on it. I don't know what else you need to hear. The media, and as such fans, love the subjectivity, which leads to rumor mills, and which often leads to some sort of conspiracy theory that you are suggesting right here is going on; this almost almost always isn't the objective truth. It's important to separate truth/facts, based on what the parties are saying, and subjective opinion that certain media outlets publish "I hear that Kane is doing this".which is all rumors and hearsay.

Sure, ok. Then why was Kane so visibly unhappy when he heard the Rangers traded for Tarasenko?

LMAO, so your gut feelings interpreting how someone visibly looks trumps actual objective facts in the reality of the situation? Come on

You should get a subscription to The Athletic if you don't already have one. They are the most reliable source of information in a lot of people's opinions versus a bunch of the blowhard amateur journalists and podcasters trying to stir the pot to get views

Right, so visual clues and things people say are not valid clues about how they feel. You are in a dream world my friend.

Says the guy speculating....reread the quotes....all of them, start there and stop the conspiracy theorist nonsense. Show me where Kane said "I wanted (or want) to get traded to the rangers and asked to be"...this is all made up in your head

Here you go...let me make it easy for you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heHSQXdPK7w

All Kane says it was a team I was looking at it. Later, he confirmed he still hasn't met with his agent and Davidson to provide a waiver list. So no, Kane did not tell davidson The Rangers and Davidson screwed up at least not up until the last 24 hours or so.