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Team: 2022-23 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 17, 2023
Published: Mar. 17, 2023
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Trades
CGY
  1. Tuomisto, Antti [Reserve List]
  2. Veleno, Joseph
  3. Viro, Eemil
  4. 2023 1st round pick (NYI)
  5. 2023 2nd round pick (DET)
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DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$82,500,000$72,928,889$0$3,350,000$9,571,111
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LW
UFA - 3
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$1,825,000$1,825,000
RW, LW
RFA - 3
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$4,850,000$4,850,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 2
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
RD
RFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$4,550,000$4,550,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$1,050,000$1,050,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,460,000$1,460,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
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$850,000$850,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:28 a.m.
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Wouldn't trade either one one of Ras or Lindholm for that package, let alone both. Brutal offer
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Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:36 a.m.
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Anderson only 26 ..rhd ..fills big need.. lindholm depends so I’d demand one pick be conditional in 2024 and it’s based on an extension signed for Elias in Detroit..then done deal ..
Mar. 17, 2023 at 7:39 a.m.
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Calgary isn't doing that
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Mar. 17, 2023 at 9:08 a.m.
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Lindholm gonna be too expensive than what it's worth.
Mar. 17, 2023 at 9:52 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Wouldn't trade either one one of Ras or Lindholm for that package, let alone both. Brutal offer


You also soapboxed all last year that Monahan had positive value and wasn't a dump...

This is probably fair for Lindholm alone, but not with Andersson included. Can take Tuo out because he has no value.
Mar. 17, 2023 at 10:07 a.m.
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Of course I would say yes to this trade but not a chance it would ever happen.
Mar. 17, 2023 at 10:17 a.m.
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Quoting: dtd_tank
You also soapboxed all last year that Monahan had positive value and wasn't a dump...

This is probably fair for Lindholm alone, but not with Andersson included. Can take Tuo out because he has no value.


Do you think healthy Paccioretty has value? He clearly got dumped. Vegas set the market on Monahan and similar. How exactly do you think this is fair for Lindholm. Velano and Viro have next to zero value too
Mar. 17, 2023 at 10:54 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Do you think healthy Paccioretty has value? He clearly got dumped. Vegas set the market on Monahan and similar. How exactly do you think this is fair for Lindholm. Velano and Viro have next to zero value too


Your opinion far predated the Pacioretty trade, and was quite different than what happened.

Veleno and Viro don't have a vast amount of value here, agreed. But Lindholm isn't worth more than any other trade in NHL history. The trade value here is less than Meier which I think is likely considering age, RFA vs UFA, and performance. Lindholm plays C vs W, which would offset the latter. I don't think the valuation here is too awful.
Mar. 17, 2023 at 12:13 p.m.
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Quoting: dtd_tank
Your opinion far predated the Pacioretty trade, and was quite different than what happened.

Veleno and Viro don't have a vast amount of value here, agreed. But Lindholm isn't worth more than any other trade in NHL history. The trade value here is less than Meier which I think is likely considering age, RFA vs UFA, and performance. Lindholm plays C vs W, which would offset the latter. I don't think the valuation here is too awful.


That's my point. My opinion was before Vegas was dumb enough to pay to move Patches. How is that confusing. I never once argued Monahan's trade value after that trade since Vegas set the market for moving cap. However I do still think paying to move Monahan to acquire a 32 year old Kadri was poor asset management.

Lindholm is worth more than Horvat, especially if he's traded in the offseason. The above trade is even moving the same 1st. This offer simply doesn't come close to the Horvat return.
Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:53 a.m.
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Calgary doesn't do that deal.
 
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