Hart Question

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Created by: Just_A_Guess

Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Apr. 10, 2023

Published: Apr. 10, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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Before ya'll going rippin me apart, I'm posting this to figure out where the accepted value is for a trade of this framework to bring in Hart.

Breakdown of the proposal as it sits: Roster goalie as a stop-gap (Allen), partially developed G "prospect" and a top 5 protected 1st in '24.

Assume the FLA 1st is gone to WPG for PLD in a deal that none of us ever agree upon along with Dvorak and Kidney. (not a post arguing the PLD value, tired of that argument)

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST		YEARS	CAP HIT
Hutson, Lane		3	$900,000

Trades

MTL

Hart, Carter

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What goes where to make this even?

PHI

Allen, Jake
Primeau, Cayden
2024 1st round pick (MTL)

Additional Details:

What goes where to make this even?

Retained Salary Transactions

Evgeni Dadonov: $2,500,000 (50%)
Nick Bonino: $1,025,000 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
32	$82,500,000	$81,572,333	$1,132,500	$5,172,500	$927,667

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Caufield, Cole $880,833$880,833 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW UFA - 1	Suzuki, Nick $7,875,000$7,875,000 C UFA - 8	Dach, Kirby $3,362,500$3,362,500 C, RW RFA - 4
Farrell, Sean $897,500$897,500 ($25,000$25K) RW, LW RFA - 3	Dubois, Pierre-Luc $6,000,000$6,000,000 C UFA - 1	Roy, Joshua $856,667$856,667 ($82,500$82K) LW, RW RFA - 4
Slafkovsky, Juraj $950,000$950,000 ($3,500,000$4M) RW, LW RFA - 3	Beck, Owen $916,667$916,667 C RFA - 5	Anderson, Josh $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 5
Pezzetta, Michael $750,000$750,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Evans, Jake $1,700,000$1,700,000 C UFA - 3	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 5

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Guhle, Kaiden $863,333$863,333 ($420,000$420K) LD/RD RFA - 3	Barron, Justin $925,000$925,000 ($212,500$212K) RD RFA - 2	Hart, Carter $3,979,000$3,979,000 G RFA - 2
Hutson, Lane $900,000$900,000 LD RFA	Spence, Jordan $820,000$820,000 ($82,500$82K) RD RFA - 2	Montembeault, Samuel $1,000,000$1,000,000 G UFA - 2

Xhekaj, Arber $828,333$828,333 LD/RD RFA - 2	Mailloux, Logan $897,500$897,500 RD RFA - 4

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Wideman, Chris $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 2		Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 4
Matheson, Michael $4,875,000$4,875,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 4		Monahan, Sean $6,375,000$6,375,000 C, LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1
Tierney, Chris $750,000$750,000 C UFA - 1		Byron, Paul $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Savard, David $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 3
Belzile, Alex $750,000$750,000 C, RW UFA - 1
Edmundson, Joel $875,000$875,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2
Gurianov, Denis $2,900,000$2,900,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Kovacevic, Johnathan $766,667$766,667 RD UFA - 3
Pitlick, Rem $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
Armia, Joel $3,400,000$3,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 3
Drouin, Jonathan $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1
Hoffman, Mike $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW UFA - 2

Apr. 10, 2023 at 11:42 a.m.

palhal

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I don't see all the love for Hart. There are UFA goalies looking for a home, and the Habs don't have to give up futures.

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Apr. 10, 2023 at 11:45 a.m.

Onlyfairtrades1

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Why would Philly trade Hart? He is not the problem.

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Apr. 10, 2023 at 12:04 p.m.

deangel84

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Quoting: Onlyfairtrades1

Why would Philly trade Hart? He is not the problem.

I agree but if a team wants to overpay for a young goalie that looks like he’s improving they may just take the bait.

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Apr. 10, 2023 at 12:09 p.m.

BadaBing

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Why trade for Hart when you can draft Hrabal with 2nd pick this year

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Apr. 10, 2023 at 12:12 p.m.

BigBallsBriere

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It would have to be an overpay for him to be dealt is my read.

Basically the type of trade that changes the trajectory of a rebuild.

Mid 1st
Good Prospect
2nd Round Pick
Short Term Cap Dump if needed"

Something along the lines of that. I could be wrong, but I just don't see any other way it makes sense for the Flyers

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Apr. 10, 2023 at 12:15 p.m.

Onlyfairtrades1

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Quoting: deangel84

I agree but if a team wants to overpay for a young goalie that looks like he’s improving they may just take the bait.

For an overpay anyone can be traded, but I can't see a reason for Philly to trade him.

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Apr. 10, 2023 at 12:28 p.m.

Just_A_Guess

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Quoting: BadaBing

Why trade for Hart when you can draft Hrabal with 2nd pick this year

Why not do both? Just a question

Apr. 10, 2023 at 12:29 p.m.

Just_A_Guess

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Quoting: Onlyfairtrades1

Why would Philly trade Hart? He is not the problem.

If he was the problem there wouldn't be any interest in him. The only reason I could see would be to return assets and shuffle the deck so-to-speak.

Apr. 10, 2023 at 12:30 p.m.

Just_A_Guess

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Quoting: palhal

I don't see all the love for Hart. There are UFA goalies looking for a home, and the Habs don't have to give up futures.

I don't really think it's something that MTL should be chasing but I was just looking to establish the accepted trade value to see if there was an option available.

Apr. 10, 2023 at 12:36 p.m.

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BadaBing

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Quoting: Just_A_Guess

Why not do both? Just a question

Draft Hrabal and when you actually need another Goalie go the UFA route. This way you don`t use the 1st rd pick. For some reason I don`t like Hart

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Apr. 10, 2023 at 12:40 p.m.

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Quoting: BadaBing

Draft Hrabal and when you actually need another Goalie go the UFA route. This way you don`t use the 1st rd pick. For some reason I don`t like Hart

Or wait for gabriel d'aigle you know hab fans are going to be nutting to get him when he's eligible to be drafted

Apr. 10, 2023 at 12:40 p.m.

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Billy316

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Quoting: Onlyfairtrades1

Why would Philly trade Hart? He is not the problem.

No but PHI isnt going to change either in his timelines , are they ?
Personally i'd want Wolf>Hart , Swayman> Hart , heck even Vanacek> Hart.
Hart has no Heart.

Price was put in his position for years and succeeded as a individual even as his team failed.
Hart wont do that in PHI or MTL

Apr. 10, 2023 at 12:40 p.m.

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Quoting: Just_A_Guess

If he was the problem there wouldn't be any interest in him. The only reason I could see would be to return assets and shuffle the deck so-to-speak.

Philly has had goalie problems for as long as I can remember, so I doubt they would be willing to trade a young kid with a lot of promise just to "shuffle the deck". IMO, it would take a big overpay to pry him out of Philly.

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Apr. 10, 2023 at 12:44 p.m.

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Quoting: Billy316

Price was one of the best goalies in the world in his prime, so I don't think it's a fair comparison. A team like Philly has been desperate for good goaltending, and Hart has provided that on a terrible team. No, he isn't Price, but that doesn't mean he isn't a solid goaltender who is still young.

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