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So, you would have traded Subban to both Winnipeg and Edmonton🙄. And never made a single mistake!! oy vie!! Got to love these with hindsight I'm sooo much smarter than the team posts!!

Apr. 12, 2023 at 11:31 a.m.

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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs

So, you would have traded Subban to both Winnipeg and Edmonton🙄. And never made a single mistake!! oy vie!!

I think they're saying the Subban trade was rumored to be Draisaitl & Edmonton's pick in that draft, which would have been PLD. Insane to think that Bergevin would've turned down Drai & #4OA for Subban just because Dubois was off the board, though - as good as PK was, that's just such an incredible overpay we'd *still* be harping on it 7 years later if it came to pass.

Apr. 12, 2023 at 11:38 a.m.

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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs

So, you would have traded Subban to both Winnipeg and Edmonton🙄. And never made a single mistake!! oy vie!! Got to love these with hindsight I'm sooo much smarter than the team posts!!

@Boltsbeathabs when he sees people having fun by looking back at a GM's moves:

Honestly I dont know why you're getting so pissed for nothing, I litterally said in the description: ''I know its a much harder job than that to be a GM and he never could of knew how bad these moves would turn out but just to look back for fun''. Oy vie!!

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Apr. 12, 2023 at 11:42 a.m.

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Boltsbeathabs when he sees people having fun by looking back at a GM's moves:

Not pissed more just laughingly exasperated

Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:06 p.m.

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No it couldn't be PLD as Jarmo Kekelainen made the statement prior to the draft "Others think more highly of my countrymen than I do . " No one should have been surprised when he drafted PLD 3rd

Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:13 p.m.

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We don't know the details, but I'm almost certain that it was Edmonton that turned down the trade, not Montreal.

Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:15 p.m.

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No it couldn't be PLD as Jarmo Kekelainen made the statement prior to the draft "Others think more highly of my countrymen than I do . " No one should have been surprised when he drafted PLD 3rd

This doesnt mean he would of drafted PLD, its just means he wasnt too high about Puljuarjvi and Laine.

Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:19 p.m.

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We don't know the details, but I'm almost certain that it was Edmonton that turned down the trade, not Montreal.

2016 is prime Chiarelli years - not saying you're wrong, but saying it's much more believable when you remember who was manning the phones back then.

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Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:20 p.m.

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Quoting: Aaron_Dell_Pickle

This doesnt mean he would of drafted PLD, its just means he wasnt too high about Puljuarjvi and Laine.

No he did draft PLD

Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:22 p.m.

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Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:23 p.m.

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No he did draft PLD

Yeah but other GMs couldnt have known before the pick was actually made. All he said was that he wasnt a fan of Laine and Puljuarvi.

Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:25 p.m.

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Quoting: dannibalcorpse

I think the rumour had the 9th overall pick going back to edmonton too. So would've Subban + 9th OA for Drai + 4th OA

Aaaaand then 5 days later we get Subban for Weber

Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:25 p.m.

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Quoting: Aaron_Dell_Pickle

Yeah but other GMs couldnt have known before the pick was actually made. All he said was that he wasnt a fan of Laine and Puljuarvi.

My point is he wouldn't have been available at 4 when Edmonton drafted .

Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:29 p.m.

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Quoting: dannibalcorpse

2016 is prime Chiarelli years - not saying you're wrong, but saying it's much more believable when you remember who was manning the phones back then.

Ironically, the story is that when Puljujarvi dropped, Chiarelli canceled the Montreal trade.

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Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:30 p.m.

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https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-couldnt-edmonton-montreal-make-deal/?sn-amp

Some fun reading

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Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:40 p.m.

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Ironically, the story is that when Puljujarvi dropped, Chiarelli canceled the Montreal trade.

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https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-couldnt-edmonton-montreal-make-deal/?sn-amp

Some fun reading

Jeez, what an absolute butterfly effect of a day that day was. Imagine Draisatl, Nurse, and whoever the Habs would've taken at #4 in Montreal with Subban & 9OA from that year in Edmonton? Absolutely bonkers

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Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:48 p.m.

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Quoting: dannibalcorpse

Crazy, eh? That's Chiarelli for you... he also traded #16 & #33 for a defenseman who was playing 2nd pairing in the AHL after losing out on the Dougie Hamilton sweepstakes. Those picks turned into Mat Barzal and Mitchell Stephen's (and Sebastien Aho and Brandon Carlo were still available!).

He was so intent on fast-forwarding the rebuild he was bleeding value all over the place. He single-handedly set the franchise back several years in the space of a few weeks that summer.

Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:56 p.m.

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oh i was going to be nice and not mention the Griffin Reinhart trade - but yes, I am acutely aware of what Chiarelli is capable of lol. the Stephens pick got flipped with a 3rd to become Anthony Beauvillier, but unfortunately that 3rd rounder become Anthony Cirelli. Amazing that Reinhart is probably the 5th best player in that little 2015 draft trade tree.

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Apr. 12, 2023 at 12:59 p.m.

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