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Addressing Trade Ideas and My Miller Rant

Created by: bogdown
Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 13, 2023
Published: Apr. 13, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Zucker, Jason
  2. 2023 1st round pick (PIT)
  3. 2024 1st round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Miller, J.T.
Additional Details:
JT Miller has 297 points in 282 games. The second highest point per game total as a Canuck behind Pavel Bure. JT Miller the one time the Canucks made the playoffs since he arrived had 18 points in 17 games and had a positive +/-, CF% Rel, and FF% rel.And we got this guy for Mukhamadulin or the 2020 first that's technically on its third team, a third rounder and Marek Mazanec?

JT Miller is a winning hockey player that actually has the balls to show some emotion. The guy still cares how the team is playing in the 82nd game of a meaningless season. Just because Drance thinks he's toxic and is certain that his contract won't age well doesn't mean we all have to become Miller haters and blame him for the Canucks fall back down to earth this season. Fans hate him because it's convenient, media writes articles about him to get traffic to their page because they've brainwashed fans into thinking he's the sole issue wrong with this team. Sure he has his questionable moments like banging his stick on the net and yelling at Delia, but THE ENTIRE BENCH WAS TOO. Again it's convenient because that's where the camera was.

I think we know who the real problem was though, and luckily management had the right idea to trade him. His leadership, his scoring, and his overall emotion was nothing compared to Miller's, I'll tell you that for free. How many times did he just stand there after one of his teammates got destroyed, doing nothing. The Podkolzin hit where OEL had to step in, or the Garland crosscheck to the face where he just stood there watching. Horvat has always been a passive leader, while Miller has been the more vocal, active one.

In terms of some of the contracts around the league, Miller is making less than Horvat, Eichel, Huberdeau, Zibanejad, Couture, and Hertl. While producing at nearly the same rate, the one exception being Zibanejad. You aren't getting a player in this market for less than that.

The fact that Miller has even generated double the value that we acquired him for shows how much he's done for this team. Regardless of whether Seravelli is accurate or not on what PIT offered, I still think Miller is worth more than a 3C, the 14th overall pick and another future pick, especially if the Canucks want to commit to the retool.
2.
VAN
BUF
  1. Garland, Conor
Additional Details:
Garland is a prime candidate guy that the Canucks move on from. His cap hit would allow us to sign Gavrikov or Bear in the offseason and bolster our D core while allowing a guy like Podkolzin or Hoglander to play. The same could be said about Beauvillier who is making almost a mil less. Wherever Garland goes, I think he fetches at least a third and a fourth.
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2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
25$83,500,000$76,842,917$1,250,000$1,782,500$6,657,083
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$7,350,000$7,350,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$6,650,000$6,650,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$875,000$875,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
LW
RFA - 2
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$4,150,000$4,150,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$883,750$883,750 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
C
RFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$825,000$825,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
RW, C
RFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
C
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,850,000$7,850,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
UFA - 4
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$2,026,667$2,026,667
LD
RFA - 1
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$4,400,000$4,400,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$922,500$922,500
RD
RFA - 2
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$7,260,000$7,260,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 3

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Apr. 13, 2023 at 3:30 p.m.
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Jason zucker is a ufa. Wrong year
Apr. 13, 2023 at 3:30 p.m.
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wheel snipe celly
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I could see that for a Garland trade if the market is there for him. Worst case scenario he gets traded to chicago for a late pick
Apr. 13, 2023 at 3:42 p.m.
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Hurricane Waddell
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TLDR rant…guessing it has something to do with Miller being an awesome player and he’s worth a bunch and ignores the fact he’s going to be making $8m AAV on the cap until he’s almost 38
Apr. 13, 2023 at 4:12 p.m.
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Reality is, knobody wants the person in their room. He's a complete douche. He made lil Buch cry on a daily basis in NY and was eventually given away, didn't last in Tampa also. Locking Jonathan Tanner up as a core member is not in anybodies cards
Apr. 13, 2023 at 4:38 p.m.
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If JT Miller is all that, then why trade him at all? It's not as if the Canucks are a terrible team that needs to be torn down to the bones like Chicago is doing, so why not keep him and add a few more pieces and drop some of the dead weight? I just don't get Canuck fans that think he is that good but still want to trade him.
Apr. 13, 2023 at 5:31 p.m.
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Lets Get Kraken
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Miller has only had notable success in Vancouver. He didn’t have it in Tampa, and he didn’t have it in New York. He is going to be making 8mil per year until he is 38, and his contract is virtually unmovable once it kicks in. I think everyone can agree that his extension might look good for the next 2-3 years, if even that, but is going to be a terrible contract the 4-5 years after. That’s if he is in Vancouver. If he were to be traded, what is stopping him reverting back to his play that he showcased with NY and Tampa?

No matter what you Canucks fans say, Miller is an exceptionally risky acquisition, with the potential reward not being high enough to mitigate the risk factor for any team to actually bite. Especially with the risk of him reverting to his play before Vancouver.
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Apr. 13, 2023 at 5:42 p.m.
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Miller is worth a mid to low 1st, a B prospect, and salary moving the other way.

Pens 1st in 2024, Hallander (sp) and Granlund.
 
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