Caps can get more for Kuznetsov. The would decline.

Caps easily decline they don't fill any needs with this trade. And kuzy is worth way more.

you wont get that from the Leafs for 1 season. That is a huge offer. Maybe you forgot to include weegar.

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Big price tag to pay for Lindholm to come in and be the 3C.

Edit: Before people go crazy saying I'm claiming Lindholm to be a 3C, I'm not. I'm saying he'd play 3C in Toronto.

Leafs don't have a need for Lindholm, Caps would want more.
Flames should probably take the Pens trade, but taking on Granlund makes me cringe

Caps would want more but Backs is probably not going to want to get traded to a team that is entering a re-tool. He needs to go to a competitor.

No need to trade Mangiapane but Hanifin would bring back a a good haul.

Arguably would be the 4C in TML considering we can just resign ROR for the price of the contract

Why would the Leafs pay 2 extra 1sts, Niemela and Robertson for a guy that would do similar things to ROR (who wants to be here and can resign for a cheaper cost)

Caps pass.

Lmao what? There is no world where ROR would be ahead of Lindholm in the depth chart anymore. And just like how ROR came in and moved Tavares to the wing, Lindholm wpuld do the exact same thing because he is the better center than JT

Well he's not the better C (yet) he's a really good 2 C who actually plays better on the wing. I like Lindholm which is why I'd pay that price for him. A pile of Leafs fans dumped all over this deal simply because they have overvalued the 2 very late 1sts sent over to Calgary in this deal assuming we couldn't or wouldn't be able to resign him. I feel like this a good deal for both teams assuming Calgary with an overhaul of management is also preparing to rebuild.

And yes the purpose of acquiring Lindholm is to push ROR into 3 C and be able to fill the 2 C spot if JT feels the wing is better for him as he winds down his career

We'll both 1st end picks are very late, Robertson as far as I can tell is on his way to not playing for the Leafs or the league for that matter so really no real value there other than he's a flyer with potential. Niemela is the value piece. We are paying a premium to add a top 6 if not Top 3 forward to our group with an AAV under 5 for the single season also gives the Leafs a back up signing option should Matthews (entirely possible) walks away for big money south of the border

I don't think Toronto should make this deal personally. Even though Lindholm wpuld fit great as 2C there and he's better than ROR, I don't think the cap savings for only next year plus the upgrade is worth spending the cost here to acquire Lindholm. If you can keep ROR for free at like 5x4 or 4.5x4 you should absolutely do that

I would rather ROR in that centre role, especially come playoffs, JT is also a better centre than Lindholm and Lindholm is far worse than Matthews... unless he moves to the wing, he'd be the 4C

I would rather get another top tier defensemen and have 3 very good defensive pairs

And who might this "top tier" defenseman be? He'll surely eat up 6.5 - 10 million is cap (that's how much top tier dman command) plus the acquisition costs would be arguably higher than this proposal

I agree that Toronto should try and keep ROR because he's free and won't cost over 8M to re-sign in a year. And I agree Lindholm's worse than Matthews. The rest i completely disagree with. There is no world where you should have JT at center when you have Lindholm and/or ROR on the team and healthy.

Tavares will remain at C , he is better at the position than both ROR and Lindholm at the moment, he's not old yet (32) he'll be 34 when his contract is up, that's when I can see JT sliding down the depth chart to a 3 C role. He is still today a ppg player with good to very good defensive metrics

FYI both JT and ROR are the same age, ROR is grittier and better on the defensive side of the puck than JT but JT is far better on the offensive side of the puck

Im confused, who were you calling "better on the wing" if it's not Tavares then i have no idea who you are referring to

I have mentioned nothing about the wing, I saying JT is better than both ROR and Lindholm at the center position. Lindholm is a better on the wing than both JT and ROR

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Well he's not the better C (yet) he's a really good 2 C who actually plays better on the wing.

Ah yes , I was talking about Lindholm, Lindholm is not the better C (yet) compared to Tavares , fast forward 2 or 3 seasons and Lindholm will be the better C as Lindholm is 4 years younger than JT