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Created by: Warpbox

Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks

Initial Creation Date: Apr. 29, 2023

Published: Apr. 29, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Canucks ship Demko to the Senators for Debrincat and then use him as a trade chip to the Wings as they start a quick rebuild

Trades

VAN

OTT

Additional Details:

Sens fan suggested this

VAN

Kasper, Marco
2023 1st round pick (DET)
2024 2nd round pick (DET)

DET

DeBrincat, Alex
2023 1st round pick (VAN)

Additional Details:

Not exactly this but something similar. Canucks move up to 9th and get Kasper. The second is not all too important

Buyouts

Braden Holtby: $1,900,000
Jake Virtanen: $500,000

Retained Salary Transactions

Bo Horvat: $1,375,000 (25%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$82,500,000	$72,759,584	$1,250,000	$1,807,500	$9,740,416

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Kuzmenko, Andrei $950,000$950,000 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW UFA - 1	Pettersson, Elias $7,350,000$7,350,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Boeser, Brock $6,650,000$6,650,000 RW UFA - 3
Kravtsov, Vitali $875,000$875,000 LW, RW RFA - 1	Miller, J.T. $5,250,000$5,250,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Garland, Conor $4,950,000$4,950,000 RW, LW UFA - 4
Di Giuseppe, Phillip $750,000$750,000 LW UFA - 1	McDonough, Aidan $925,000$925,000 LW RFA - 2
	Åman, Nils $883,750$883,750 ($82,500$82K) C RFA - 2	Podkolzin, Vasily $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 2
	Joshua, Dakota $825,000$825,000 LW UFA - 2	Studnicka, Jack $762,500$762,500 RW, C RFA - 2
	Dries, Sheldon $762,500$762,500 C UFA - 2
	Kasper, Marco $950,000$950,000 C RFA - 4

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Hughes, Quinn $7,850,000$7,850,000 LD UFA - 5	Myers, Tyler $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2
Hirose, Akito $2,026,667$2,026,667 LD RFA - 1	Hronek, Filip $4,400,000$4,400,000 RD RFA - 2	Delia, Collin $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 1
McWard, Cole $922,500$922,500 RD RFA - 2	Bear, Ethan $1,800,000$1,800,000 RD UFA - 1
Burroughs, Kyle $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1
Kleven, Tyler $916,667$916,667 ($25,000$25K) LD RFA - 3
Brisebois, Guillaume $750,000$750,000 LD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Ekman-Larsson, Oliver $7,260,000$7,260,000 LD NMC UFA - 5	Mikheyev, Ilya $4,750,000$4,750,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 4
	Dermott, Travis $1,500,000$1,500,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Ferland, Micheal $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1
		Pearson, Tanner $3,250,000$3,250,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 2
		Poolman, Tucker $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 3

Apr. 29, 2023 at 10:15 p.m.

MoreHitzSeider

Seiders on the Storm

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No. Kasper is a non starter.

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Apr. 29, 2023 at 10:16 p.m.

Jfstompers

Pop Pop

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Maybe day of draft trade Detroit could do it. If the draft board sets up that we could replace Kasper with that Vancouver pick. If Dvorsky or Moore was still there maybe.

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Apr. 29, 2023 at 10:19 p.m.

akaknife19

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The sens need a number 1 goalie, but I hope it's not Demko. If we made this trade it means both our goalies would have history with knee injuries. If anything, I would want the sens to go after Hellebuyck if he does become available.

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Apr. 29, 2023 at 10:22 p.m.

buffbry

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Wings pass, trade makes 0 sense

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Apr. 29, 2023 at 10:22 p.m.

buffbry

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Wings pass, trade makes 0 sense

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Apr. 29, 2023 at 10:44 p.m.

JoeROFLCOPTER

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Kasper is non-negotiable. Don't care who it's for.

But even if he was, this is still a very bad trade. 9OA and an A+ prospect is waaaaay too much for DeBrincat+11OA. I don't care that he was traded for 7OA+2nd+3rd, this year's draft class is astronomically better.

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Apr. 29, 2023 at 11:17 p.m.

IDKtbh

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The red wings are not trading Kasper and I doubt we have interest in trading valuable assets for players the size of 96% of the nations grandmothers.

No offense to DeBrincat he’s a good player. Just not for Detroit.

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Apr. 29, 2023 at 11:45 p.m.

Warpbox

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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider

No. Kasper is a non starter.

Does Debrincat for pick 9 straight up get it done?

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Apr. 30, 2023 at 12:13 a.m.

MoreHitzSeider

Seiders on the Storm

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Quoting: Warpbox

Does Debrincat for pick 9 straight up get it done?

No. Yzerman isn't trading that pick.

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Apr. 30, 2023 at 12:59 a.m.

#10

aedoran

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Quoting: Warpbox

Does Debrincat for pick 9 straight up get it done?

Is Demo that much better than Talbot that Ottawa pass on 18th, 43rd and a player like Kubalik? Basically you have lowered the return for Ottawa and raised the price for Detroit. For this to work for Ottawa you need a bonafide #1 goalie and Demko is 39th in SV% and 47th in GAA.

Apr. 30, 2023 at 2:35 a.m.

#11

Lancebmx

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Quoting: aedoran

I believe Demko is far better than his stats this year but this I don't think makes alot of sense for us.

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Apr. 30, 2023 at 7:04 a.m.

#12

athrin

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Demko is not worth Kleven yet alone adding Cat, OTT declines

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Apr. 30, 2023 at 8:12 a.m.

#13

MoSeider53

Future Norris guy

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Is this a freaking joke? Kasper is an 8th overall pick plus a 9th overall pick in a very deep draft is a major overpay and you want our 2024 2nd on top of it. For Debrincat and the 11th overall pick. What a joke you owe us more not the other way around.

Apr. 30, 2023 at 8:58 a.m.

#14

aedoran

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Quoting: Lancebmx

I believe Demko is far better than his stats this year but this I don't think makes alot of sense for us.

Maybe a bit but there is no way Ottawa does this.

Apr. 30, 2023 at 4:47 p.m.

#15

Xspyrit

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I might be the "Sens fan who suggested this" but I did NOT mention Kleven to be part of the deal

Kleven is not a throw in prospect, he's a beast in the making. Immediate no

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Apr. 30, 2023 at 5:07 p.m.

#16

Juiceman

Ex Nucks fan

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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61

I mean Cat was literally traded for the pick before Kasper + 37th overall + 3rd round pick.

Apr. 30, 2023 at 5:13 p.m.

#17

MoSeider53

Future Norris guy

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Quoting: Juiceman

I mean Cat was literally traded for the pick before Kasper + 37th overall + 3rd round pick.

Yeah and this draft is 5 times more deeper, Than last year's draft.

Apr. 30, 2023 at 6:06 p.m.

#18

Warpbox

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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61

Yeah and this draft is 5 times more deeper, Than last year's draft.

You are moving down two spots though.

Apr. 30, 2023 at 7:57 p.m.

#19

Juiceman

Ex Nucks fan

Joined: Jun. 2021

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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61

Yeah and this draft is 5 times more deeper, Than last year's draft.

So lets break this trade down

DeBrincat was traded for 7th overall 2022, 37th overall 2022, and 2024 3rd round pick

This is essentially DeBrincat for Kasper, 37th overall 2022, and 2024 3rd round pick + one extra pick for going from 7th overall to 8th overall.

Now lets cancel out the 2024 3rd + extra pick from going 7th overall to 8th overall, and cancel out the 2024 2nd round pick.

This essentially leaves us with 2023 11th overall + 2022 37th overall for 2023 9th overall which if you asked me, sounds pretty fair value wise, if not a little overpay

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