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Matvei Michkov in play at 5

Created by: ohmyjlord
Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: May 9, 2023
Published: May 9, 2023
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I'm curious...

Kent Hughes is on record, saying he would like to add another 1st round pick in this year's draft. He's also looking to build around the team's young players, mainly Nick Suzuki, Cole Caufield, Kirby Dach, Juraj Slafkovsky, Felip Mesar, Owen Beck, Joshua Roy, Kaiden Guhle, Justin Barron, Jordan Harris, Lane Hutson, Logan Mailloux, etc.

However, there's a perception in Montreal that Matvei Michkov could be a risk the Habs aren't ready to take. So I'm wondering...should they try to trade down, would there be any interest ? I'm looking at three teams mostly in this scenario: Arizona Coyotes, Washington Capitals and Detroit Redwings seems to me, judging from the outside, as teams who could be tempted by Michkov.

So what do you say ? What are you willing to pay to jump at #5. I'm just curious...

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              May 9, 2023 at 12:53 a.m.
              #1
              ItsAlwaysSunnyInDetroit
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              I would trade 9, 17, 42, 43... if Carlsson is still on the board.
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              May 9, 2023 at 12:56 a.m.
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              Quoting: ItsAlwaysSunnyInDetroit
              I would trade 9, 17, 42, 43... if Carlsson is still on the board.

              I don't see the Habs trading away #5 if Carlsson is still on the board, though that's a pretty decent offer they would probably have to consider closely.
              ...are you not interested at all in Michkov ?
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              May 9, 2023 at 1:00 a.m.
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              Habs need to take the Russian. Hes the 2nd best player in this draft and the wait to get him playing will be more than offset by the advantage of having him on an ELC in his early prime. Its a risk they should take.
              Him Slaf PLD Suz CC Dach would be an insane top 6 3 years from now
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              May 9, 2023 at 1:01 a.m.
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              Quoting: Savage27
              Habs need to take the Russian. Hes the 2nd best player in this draft and the wait to get him playing will be more than offset by the advantage of having him on an ELC in his early prime. Its a risk they should take.
              Him Slaf PLD Suz CC Dach would be an insane top 6 3 years from now

              Oh, I'm with you. I'd take Michkov in a heartbeat if he drops at 5. I'm just unsure if the Habs will...
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              May 9, 2023 at 1:02 a.m.
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              Quoting: ohmyjlord
              I don't see the Habs trading away #5 if Carlsson is still on the board, though that's a pretty decent offer they would probably have to consider closely.
              ...are you not interested at all in Michkov ?


              I would take Michkov at 9 for sure. But I would be extremely hesitant to trade major assets to move up for him.
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              May 9, 2023 at 1:05 a.m.
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              Quoting: ItsAlwaysSunnyInDetroit
              I would take Michkov at 9 for sure. But I would be extremely hesitant to trade major assets to move up for him.

              So I'm guessing 5th for 9th and 17th would be out of the question for you, right ?
              (That's more or less what I had in mind as a base)
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              May 9, 2023 at 1:13 a.m.
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              Quoting: ohmyjlord
              So I'm guessing 5th for 9th and 17th would be out of the question for you, right ?
              (That's more or less what I had in mind as a base)


              I dunno. That's a franchise defining decision. Giving up 2 1sts in this draft?.. If Michkov busts or never comes over? That turns this into a 15-20 year rebuild. I don't know if I'd have the balls to pull the trigger.
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              May 9, 2023 at 1:20 a.m.
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              Quoting: ohmyjlord
              So I'm guessing 5th for 9th and 17th would be out of the question for you, right ?
              (That's more or less what I had in mind as a base)


              Yeah depending on who is left on the board.
              May 9, 2023 at 1:21 a.m.
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              I dunno. That's a franchise defining decision. Giving up 2 1sts in this draft?.. If Michkov busts or never comes over? That turns this into a 15-20 year rebuild. I don't know if I'd have the balls to pull the trigger.

              Yeah, believe me, as a fan of the team that do own that pick, I get it ! This is gonna be a tough 5th overall pick to handle...
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              May 9, 2023 at 1:21 a.m.
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              Sorry but the drop off in talent (or more accurately, the lack of a drop off in talent) isn't worth the price to trade up IMO. It would cost Detroit 9th + one of Seider or Raymond (which is too much IMO for the slight upgrade in talent from Cristall to Michkov) it's like trading for Rantanen when you can just take Nylander, it just doesn't make sense to pay the price.
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              May 9, 2023 at 1:25 a.m.
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              Quoting: Campabee
              Sorry but the drop off in talent (or more accurately, the lack of a drop off in talent) isn't worth the price to trade up IMO. It would cost Detroit 9th + one of Seider or Raymond (which is too much IMO for the slight upgrade in talent from Cristall to Michkov) it's like trading for Rantanen when you can just take Nylander, it just doesn't make sense to pay the price.


              Yea, who do you win more cups with? Michkov or Moore + Perreault? Tough call
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              May 9, 2023 at 1:26 a.m.
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              Quoting: Campabee
              Sorry but the drop off in talent (or more accurately, the lack of a drop off in talent) isn't worth the price to trade up IMO. It would cost Detroit 9th + one of Seider or Raymond (which is too much IMO for the slight upgrade in talent from Cristall to Michkov) it's like trading for Rantanen when you can just take Nylander, it just doesn't make sense to pay the price.

              Assuming the Habs aren't comfortable taking Michkov to begin with, I doubt they would ask for that much. I was more or less aiming at 9th and 17th, where 5th would get DET Michkov, and 9th would get MTL one of Leonard, Benson, Moore, Dvorsky or Reinbacher. I'll admit, I haven't scouted Cristall much though.
              May 9, 2023 at 1:27 a.m.
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              Quoting: ItsAlwaysSunnyInDetroit
              Yea, who do you win more cups with? Michkov or Moore + Perreault? Tough call


              It really is cause no one knows who the class of the draft will be in 3-5 years time, these guys are so close now as it is
              May 9, 2023 at 1:29 a.m.
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              Assuming the Habs aren't comfortable taking Michkov to begin with, I doubt they would ask for that much. I was more or less aiming at 9th and 17th, where 5th would get DET Michkov, and 9th would get MTL one of Leonard, Benson, Moore, Dvorsky or Reinbacher. I'll admit, I haven't scouted Cristall much though.


              The thing is though, to move from 9th to 5th costs more than a mid 1st, especially in this draft
              May 9, 2023 at 1:32 a.m.
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              Quoting: Campabee
              The thing is though, to move from 9th to 5th costs more than a mid 1st, especially in this draft

              Yeah, but if the Habs are gonna pass on Michkov anyway, might as well do "what's good for business", no matter what the "value chart" says. Say Michkov is out of the question for Hughes and co...do you really put that much more value on the next 4 guys on your list ? To the point where a mid-1st wouldn't make it up ?
              May 9, 2023 at 1:35 a.m.
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              Quoting: Campabee
              The thing is though, to move from 9th to 5th costs more than a mid 1st, especially in this draft


              I disagree. Assuming the board breaks Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith... The uncertainty with Michkov and level of talent between 5 and 9 makes a trade up almost unnecessary. If it happens I think it'll be for a lot less than one would expect.
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              May 9, 2023 at 1:40 a.m.
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              Like I said at the top, if Carlsson is still on the board at 5 I would trade a lot. Like, a lot. If we could walk away with Carlsson and Willander and keep Kasper and Edvinsson, rebuild is instantly over.
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              May 9, 2023 at 1:46 a.m.
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              Quoting: ItsAlwaysSunnyInDetroit
              I disagree. Assuming the board breaks Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith... The uncertainty with Michkov and level of talent between 5 and 9 makes a trade up almost unnecessary. If it happens I think it'll be for a lot less than one would expect.


              I just don't see a scenario where Montreal isn't asking for Seider or Raymond when everyone on the planet knows Michkov is the 2nd best player in this draft and in this scenario a team (using Detroit as an example) is trading up to get him. They will be asking a really hefty price and IMO it will be too much to make sense for the other team.
              May 9, 2023 at 1:51 a.m.
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              Quoting: Campabee
              I just don't see a scenario where Montreal isn't asking for Seider or Raymond when everyone on the planet knows Michkov is the 2nd best player in this draft and in this scenario a team (using Detroit as an example) is trading up to get him. They will be asking a really hefty price and IMO it will be too much to make sense for the other team.


              I just think there is too much uncertainty with Michkov to command that kind of price. I would be zero percent shocked to see him slide past 5
              May 9, 2023 at 2:52 a.m.
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              Quoting: Savage27
              Habs need to take the Russian. Hes the 2nd best player in this draft and the wait to get him playing will be more than offset by the advantage of having him on an ELC in his early prime. Its a risk they should take.
              Him Slaf PLD Suz CC Dach would be an insane top 6 3 years from now


              If you were Michkov, would you accept an offer of an ELC with a two-way salary of $85,000 if you're offered $4,000,000 by a KHL team?

              The risk of him never making it to the NHL is very, very high.
              May 9, 2023 at 3:47 a.m.
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              Quoting: Billy12Bob
              If you were Michkov, would you accept an offer of an ELC with a two-way salary of $85,000 if you're offered $4,000,000 by a KHL team?

              The risk of him never making it to the NHL is very, very high.


              For real
              May 9, 2023 at 3:50 a.m.
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              Quoting: Billy12Bob
              If you were Michkov, would you accept an offer of an ELC with a two-way salary of $85,000 if you're offered $4,000,000 by a KHL team?

              The risk of him never making it to the NHL is very, very high.

              Can't you just add performances and signing bonuses to make-up for the difference ? As for the two-way side of it, I'm not even worried...if Michkov crosses over, it'll be to play in the NHL.
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              May 9, 2023 at 3:55 a.m.
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              Quoting: Billy12Bob
              If you were Michkov, would you accept an offer of an ELC with a two-way salary of $85,000 if you're offered $4,000,000 by a KHL team?

              The risk of him never making it to the NHL is very, very high.


              4 mil in a currency that will implode soon to stay in a place where all consumer goods come from Russia or china and completely sanctioned by the free world or play 2 years for a mil plus and then make 7mil or more until ur late 30s with no restrictions on what you can buy/do. No brainer

              Name one Russian player that has actually been blocked from coming over in the modern era.

              He will play out his contract and come over no problem.
              The risk of him never making it to the NHL is very, very low
              May 9, 2023 at 3:59 a.m.
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              Quoting: Savage27
              4 mil in a currency that will implode soon to stay in a place where all consumer goods come from Russia or china and completely sanctioned by the free world or play 2 years for a mil plus and then make 7mil or more until ur late 30s with no restrictions on what you can buy/do. No brainer

              Name one Russian player that has actually been blocked from coming over in the modern era.

              He will play out his contract and come over no problem.
              The risk of him never making it to the NHL is very, very low

              Hmmm...well, isn't it what kinda happened to Ivan Fedotov ?
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              May 9, 2023 at 4:06 a.m.
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              Quoting: ohmyjlord
              Hmmm...well, isn't it what kinda happened to Ivan Fedotov ?


              Honestly did not know about that guy but theres no way Mitchkov gets drafted (to the armed forces)
               
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