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Bedard says no to Chicago

Created by: Caufeel
Published: May 11, 2023 at 1:58 p.m.
Salary Cap: $82,500,000
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Logo of the Chicago BlackhawksChicago Blackhawks

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Chicago BlackhawksCHI)---100------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Dach, KirbyMontreal CanadiensNHL-$763,378011---58142438--
Mailloux, LoganWaivers ExemptMontreal CanadiensJunior-$0001---0000--
Mesar, FilipWaivers ExemptMontreal CanadiensJunior-$0001---0000--
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Florida PanthersFLA)---100------
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMTL)---100------
2024 2nd round pick (Logo of the Colorado AvalancheCOL)---010------
2025 1st round pick (Logo of the Calgary FlamesCGY)---100------
2025 2nd round pick (Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMTL)---010------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$5,099,96823467061310
Change-$763,378113220
Final$4,336,590 (↓)24 (↑)47 (↑)73 (↑)8 (↑)15 (↑)10142438

Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMontreal Canadiens

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Dach, KirbyMontreal CanadiensNHL-$3,362,500011---58142438--
Mailloux, LoganWaivers ExemptMontreal CanadiensJunior-$0001---0000--
Mesar, FilipWaivers ExemptMontreal CanadiensJunior-$0001---0000--
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Florida PanthersFLA)---100------
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMTL)---100------
2024 2nd round pick (Logo of the Colorado AvalancheCOL)---010------
2025 1st round pick (Logo of the Calgary FlamesCGY)---100------
2025 2nd round pick (Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMTL)---010------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Chicago BlackhawksCHI)---100------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$1,869,1672548695617
Change$3,362,500-1-1-3-2-20
Final$5,231,667 (↑)24 (↓)47 (↓)66 (↓)3 (↓)4 (↓)17-14-24-38
May 11, 2023 at 7:42 p.m.
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Please explain why he'd say no to Chicago but yes to Montreal . It's not like he's some Quebec Frenchie or something.
May 11, 2023 at 8:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Justafan79
Please explain why he'd say no to Chicago but yes to Montreal . It's not like he's some Quebec Frenchie or something.


Google "Kyle Beach"
May 11, 2023 at 8:23 p.m.
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Google "Kyle Beach"


Different management players coaching staff 🛑🛑🛑. Will also be the most scrutinized team in the league for that. Troll statement.
May 11, 2023 at 8:32 p.m.
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Different management players coaching staff 🛑🛑🛑. Will also be the most scrutinized team in the league for that. Troll statement.


Same owner
May 11, 2023 at 8:37 p.m.
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Same owner


I stand by my comment how much does Rocky Wertz have to do with day to day operations? I don't know for certain,but guessing it's pretty close to zero . Being CEO of Wirtz Corporation most likely takes much more of his time.
May 11, 2023 at 8:43 p.m.
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I stand by my comment how much does Rocky Wertz have to do with day to day operations? I don't know for certain,but guessing it's pretty close to zero . Being CEO of Wirtz Corporation most likely takes much more of his time.


Probably, but a young player may not want to be part of an organization that had such a massive (and disgusting) scandal recently.
May 11, 2023 at 8:44 p.m.
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Chicago would need a sure thing as part of the package.

Even if Montreal puts up 5th overall, their 2024 1st, Slafkovsky, and Nick Suzuki or Cole Caulfield - another team probably tops that offer.
May 11, 2023 at 8:47 p.m.
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Probably, but a young player may not want to be part of an organization that had such a massive (and disgusting) scandal recently.


It was 10-13 years ago that's not recent google Kyle beach he last played in the Chicago organization in 2013
May 11, 2023 at 8:50 p.m.
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Probably, but a young player may not want to be part of an organization that had such a massive (and disgusting) scandal recently.


And let's not say the Canadians are the morality North star they did draft the s***bag Mailloux. Which was more recently.
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May 11, 2023 at 8:51 p.m.
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Chicago would need a sure thing as part of the package.

Even if Montreal puts up 5th overall, their 2024 1st, Slafkovsky, and Nick Suzuki or Cole Caulfield - another team probably tops that offer.


I don't think any team tops that, and it makes no sense for Mtl to give up their entire core for one player, as good as he can be.
May 11, 2023 at 8:52 p.m.
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And let's not say the Canadians are the morality North star they did draft the scumbag Mailloux. Which was more recently.


Drafting a player who did something like that is not equal to having one of your staff raping a player and then people covering it up.
May 11, 2023 at 8:53 p.m.
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It was 10-13 years ago that's not recent google Kyle beach he last played in the Chicago organization in 2013


Maybe, it's like 99.9999% sure Bedard would not say no the Chicago because of that. Im just saying it wouldn't be completely unreasonable for him to do so for this reason.
May 11, 2023 at 8:54 p.m.
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Quoting: Caufeel
Drafting a player who did something like that is not equal to having one of your staff raping a player and then people covering it up.


It isn't but both are s***bag things to do so if Chicago may offend his senses so may Montreal
May 11, 2023 at 8:55 p.m.
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It isn't but both are s***bag things to do so if Chicago may offend his senses so may Montreal


Well, maybe yes, but these two situations are not comparable in any way.
May 11, 2023 at 9:03 p.m.
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Well, maybe yes, but these two situations are not comparable in any way.


If it weren't 10 years ago, there wasn't this extremely thorough investigation, and the NHL wasn't going to be crawling up The Hawks butts with microscopes you may be correct on this premise .
May 11, 2023 at 9:12 p.m.
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If Montreal is trading for 2023 1st overall pick Suzuki and Caulfield have to involved just to start the conversation with Chicago
May 11, 2023 at 9:16 p.m.
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If it weren't 10 years ago, there wasn't this extremely thorough investigation, and the NHL wasn't going to be crawling up The Hawks butts with microscopes you may be correct on this premise .


Oh I'm absolutely correct on that premise lol. These situations are not remotely similar. Even if one is over 10 years ago and the other one "only" 2-3 years ago.
May 11, 2023 at 9:17 p.m.
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If Montreal is trading for 2023 1st overall pick Suzuki and Caulfield have to involved just to start the conversation with Chicago


Probably one of them, not both.
May 11, 2023 at 9:45 p.m.
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Oh I'm absolutely correct on that premise lol. These situations are not remotely similar. Even if one is over 10 years ago and the other one "only" 2-3 years ago.


Do you have a daughter? Because if he did that to mine he wouldn't be playing hockey and I wouldn't be chatting with you here.
May 11, 2023 at 9:55 p.m.
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Do you have a daughter? Because if he did that to mine he wouldn't be playing hockey and I wouldn't be chatting with you here.


That's not the point lol. What he did and what the Habs did by drafting him is still light years away from a staff member raping a player and a organization wide cover up for 10 years.
May 11, 2023 at 10:15 p.m.
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I'm telling you I'd be willing to put a bullet between someone's eyes and spend my life in prison if that's what the consequences are tells you I think it's pretty serious what he did. You don't have a daughter do you?


I do have two daughters actually lol... But I'm smart enough to understand that sharing intimate picture without consent, while bad enough and very much condemnable, is not equal to rape and covering up rape.

You just casually saying you'd kill someone and spend your life in prison if someone did what Mailloux did to your daughter doesn't make you a good father or a good person lol, it just makes you a deranged maniac.
May 11, 2023 at 10:34 p.m.
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I do have two daughters actually lol... But I'm smart enough to understand that sharing intimate picture without consent, while bad enough and very much condemnable, is not equal to rape and covering up rape.

You just casually saying you'd kill someone and spend your life in prison if someone did what Mailloux did to your daughter doesn't make you a good father or a good person lol, it just makes you a deranged maniac.


Well everyone knowing the results of their actions was a very good deterrent governments call it mutually assured destruction
May 11, 2023 at 10:36 p.m.
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I do have two daughters actually lol... But I'm smart enough to understand that sharing intimate picture without consent, while bad enough and very much condemnable, is not equal to rape and covering up rape.

You just casually saying you'd kill someone and spend your life in prison if someone did what Mailloux did to your daughter doesn't make you a good father or a good person lol, it just makes you a deranged maniac.

I guess that guy doesn’t know about different levels of bad, like that rape and cover up is much worse then sending pictures without someone’s consent
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May 11, 2023 at 10:44 p.m.
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Well everyone knowing the results of their actions was a very good deterrent governments call it mutually assured destruction


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May 12, 2023 at 12:58 a.m.
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I don't think any team tops that, and it makes no sense for Mtl to give up their entire core for one player, as good as he can be.


The ask from New York Rangers to the Senators to move up from 3 to 1 was apparently Brady Tkachuk. Keep in mind that while Lafreniere was highly hyped, the dropoff from 1 to 3 wasn't seen as great as it is in some years, since Byfield and Stutzle were both thought to be players who would compare favourably to those who went 1st overall in some draft years.

Now consider that Bedard is lightyears ahead of Lafreniere in terms of hype. He's in very limited company with Crosby and McDavid in terms of getting that "generational" label. The drop from 1 to 5 is gargantuan in this scenario.

Let's say it's Slafkovsky, Caufield, 5th overall, and the 2024 1st. Montreal runs to the podium before Chicago changes their mind. Slafkovsky, 5th overall, and a mystery pick is not a lot to upgrade Caufield to a player who based on his scouting reports and pre-NHL production could possibly overtake or at least compete with McDavid as the most productive player in the league.

It's a cap league, so at the end of the day teams can only have so many good players. Look at the Matthew Tkachuk trade as an example of this. On paper, the gap between Huberdeau (as he was in Florida's system) and Tkachuk shouldn't have been worth a top pairing RD and additional pieces, but because of the salary cap Florida wouldn't have been able to keep both of them anyways. In the long run, there are so few legitimate franchise or generational players, but there are a lot of stars (1st liners, 2nd liners, top pairing D, etc). The higher up you get in skill, the more difficult it gets to acquire that kind of player. If the Canadiens had a chance to acquire a player of Bedard's possible talent, and all it took was top prospects, a mystery box pick, and a first line winger who is never going to be anywhere close to the star that Bedard is, they would call in the trade before whatever drugs the Chicago management group were on ran out.
 
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