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Probably comes from a silly desire to make the post season after 12 years.

Novel concept, I know but, what if internal improvements aren't enough because other teams also try to improve their roster?

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May 11, 2023 at 2:50 p.m.

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Quoting: Stadel

Patience is a virtue. What teams can actually make improvements? BOS, TO, WAS, PIT, NYR, TB, NYI , FLA are all aging and/or have zero cap space to actually improve. Novel concept taking a look around the league, I know. DET and OTT have some wiggle room to improve, but they have their own problems too.

BUF missed the playoffs by 1 point with 7 rookies. No reason they can't make the playoffs with a more experienced roster next year. No other team had 7 better rookies.

If you think some of those rookies will regress, please tell me who...and do you think Tage, Dahlin and Cozens will regress too?

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May 11, 2023 at 2:54 p.m.

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13 million in your bottom 4

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May 11, 2023 at 2:56 p.m.

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13 million in your bottom 4

What? Bottom 4 D-men?

1) Is $13 million a lot? I don't think so.
2) .916 + 6 + 2.5 + 2.75 = 12.166
3) Fits under the cap, so...I'm not understanding your point.

CAR is spending $14.567 on their 3-4-5-6

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May 11, 2023 at 3:00 p.m.

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What? Bottom 4 D-men?

1) Is $13 million a lot? I don't think so.
2) .916 + 6 + 2.5 + 2.75 = 12.166
3) Fits under the cap, so...I'm not understanding your point.

No, Sorry your 4th line and extra forward Greenway

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May 11, 2023 at 3:01 p.m.

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They aren’t even going to add another forward olofsson will be traded they will have a camp battle for a roster spot between Rousek,Biro and Kulich.

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May 11, 2023 at 3:04 p.m.

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They aren’t even going to add another forward olofsson will be traded they will have a camp battle for a roster spot between Rousek,Biro and Kulich.

Olofsson >> Rousek, Biro and Kulich.

If the 3 of them all played 82 games they would be lucky to total 28 goals combined.

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May 11, 2023 at 3:06 p.m.

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No, Sorry your 4th line and extra forward Greenway

It's common hockey nomenclature to refer to the bottom-4 when talking about D-men.

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Olofsson >> Rousek, Biro and Kulich.

If the 3 of them all played 82 games they would be lucky to total 28 goals combined.

Why intentionally overlook all the massive defensive flaws in olofsson's game that caused him to be a healthy scratch? Unless you just think Granato is vindictive?

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May 11, 2023 at 3:07 p.m.

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Why intentionally overlook all the massive defensive flaws in olofsson's game that caused him to be a healthy scratch? Unless you just think Granato is vindictive?

And you think rookies are going to be flawless in their 2-way game against experienced NHL players? LOL.

Based on what....exactly?

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May 11, 2023 at 3:09 p.m.

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It's a fallacy to assume that teams with limited resources can't improve. That they can't move cap hits in order to create space to improve the team. That they can't win trades, take advantage of other situations or have prospects of their own.

I dont know which rookies will stall, or which vets may take a step back. These are hard to predict. But historically, the odds of all your rookies taking a step forward AND the non rookies maintaining their level of play is basically zero.

Some get better, some get worse. Patience is good. Relying strictly on internal growth is how you perpetually end up in 9th place.

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May 11, 2023 at 3:10 p.m.

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And you think rookies are going to be flawless in their 2-way game against experienced NHL players? LOL.

Based on what....exactly?

No I don't, but I also think some of the players mentioned have some 2-way talent. Even if its not particularly great, olofsson was bottom 5 percentile in defensive war. Hard to imagine a guy like Rousek being worse. This another fallacy assuming that because Im critical of olofsson's two way game, that I assume the rookies will be good. They may very well not be. All the more reason to go out and get someone who does have some two way game to him.

May 11, 2023 at 3:12 p.m.

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Never said they can't...Just it's more likely BUF improves more...ye of little faith. 26-28 year olds rule the league. Facts. Look it up.

Disagree 100% with your last sentence. SPending ungodly amounts on trades or UFAs is how you stagnate.

If you've ever listened to KA, BUF is growing from within, like it or not. I like it.

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May 11, 2023 at 3:13 p.m.

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Why I added Compher. Compher > Rousek. Simple.

GWG's win games last I checked. Not sure why Sabres fans undervalue that. (Olofsson was 41st in the league in GWG for the record).

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May 11, 2023 at 3:15 p.m.

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Quoting: worldwidesensei

Never said they can't...Just it's more likely BUF improves more...ye of little faith. 26-28 year olds rule the league. Facts. Look it up.

Disagree 100% with your last sentence. SPending ungodly amounts on trades or UFAs is how you stagnate.

If you've ever listened to KA, BUF is growing from within, like it or not. I like it.

I did look it up. Appears you are wrong. Peak age tends to be younger. I assume even more so now that we are trending more towards speed and skill.

May 11, 2023 at 3:15 p.m.

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Quoting: worldwidesensei

Why I added Compher. Compher > Rousek. Simple.

GWG's win games last I checked. Not sure why Sabres fans undervalue that.

Team sport. Takes 4 other guys to get it done. Why oversimplify?

May 11, 2023 at 3:17 p.m.

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Team sport. Takes 4 other guys to get it done. Why oversimplify?

Not sure what your point is? So we can't look at one guy versus another guy? Is that your point?

As much as you want to say it's a team sport, and it is, it's also a game of 1-1 matchups.

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May 11, 2023 at 3:19 p.m.

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Quoting: worldwidesensei

It's common hockey nomenclature to refer to the bottom-4 when talking about D-men.

Thanks, appreciate you teaching me Hockey. Apologies for wording it wrong. So instead of trying to talk about this I will say it's utterly stupid to have 13mill sitting there in your bottom 4 forwards

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May 11, 2023 at 3:19 p.m.

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I did look it up. Appears you are wrong. Peak age tends to be younger. I assume even more so now that we are trending more towards speed and skill.

2008-2016? Are you still using a black and white TV?

May 11, 2023 at 3:22 p.m.

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You don't value depth. Got it. Don't need to go back far in hockey history to see teams spending on their bottom-6 that have advanced much, much further in the playoffs than BUF has in the past 12 years. And it's temporary, until the Kulichs, Savoies, Rosens, Ostlunds, 2023 1st, etc move up.

And FYI, I view all 3 of the bottom lines I've listed equally.

May 11, 2023 at 3:25 p.m.

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2008-2016? Are you still using a black and white TV?

This is from 2019. Do you have any data to suggest your assumption is more correct or should I just take your word for it? You are the smartest guy in hockey? Which NHL team are you working for? Or are you too smart for them? They just don't get your intelligence?

May 11, 2023 at 3:27 p.m.

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Not sure what your point is? So we can't look at one guy versus another guy? Is that your point?

As much as you want to say it's a team sport, and it is, it's also a game of 1-1 matchups.

Most of the time there's actually 5 guys on the ice for either side. Are you sure you aren't the one with the black and white tv? Might explain why you missed it.

May 11, 2023 at 3:29 p.m.

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You don't value depth. Got it. Don't need to go back far in hockey history to see teams spending on their bottom-6 that have advanced much, much further in the playoffs than BUF has in the past 12 years. And it's temporary, until the Kulichs, Savoies, Rosens, Ostlunds, 2023 1sts, etc move up.

And FYI, I view all 3 of the bottom lines I've listed equally.

Let's get to the playoffs 1st and Okposo and Girgensons aren't the ones to do it, atleast both and Okposo at 3Mill ridiculous, and if your bringing in Compher he should probably be between Mitts and Olofsson with his 200ft game. And actually don't understand having Mitts and Olofsson together, Mitts played his best hockey away from him. Depth is one thing, spending stupid money is another.

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May 11, 2023 at 3:30 p.m.

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Yes, I don't think Tage and dahlin will match their career years, thus "regressing"

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May 11, 2023 at 3:32 p.m.

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