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Team: 2023-24 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: May 11, 2023
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I really don't understand all of the tinkering Sabres fans are doing. The roster is pretty much set. If GMKA does nothing, it wouldn't surprise me, nor would I be mad about it. I've made 2 keep additions though. Compher and Mayfield.

I'm fine extending years and/or AAV because these players will hold value and can be moved quite easily and have almost no impact on tomorrow's cap nor affect our cap space dramatically in the future. 2 players is about all I expect KA to do, and that is kind of a maximum. I could easily see him making no changes. The changes will come from player development. We won't have 7 rookies next year (Power, Samuelsson, UPL, Levi, Quinn, Krebs, JJP). That's the improvement BUF fans are looking for.

I've got 24 on the roster now, but Bryson, Levi, or Comrie can be in ROC.
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24$82,500,000$77,977,737$0$4,070,000$4,522,263
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May 11, 2023 at 4:50 p.m.
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May 11, 2023 at 4:55 p.m.
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Sorry, I have a big problem with your chart. The BEST players peak way later than 23-35. The players that kinda don't make it in the NHL peak so young.

Did Dahlin peak at 24? Tage? Ovi? Crosby? McDavid? Stamkos?

Nope.

The best players in the league age like a fine wine.

The players that flame out see their best years when they are 21-24.

Look it up.

Your chart sucks. You don't.
May 11, 2023 at 5:53 p.m.
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I doubt Olofsson is back for starters

As for the rest, I wouldn’t feel comfortable with those contracts for Compher and Mayfield
May 11, 2023 at 9:32 p.m.
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It's an overpay, I agree, but BUF can afford it and they could really use him. I'd obviously start with a lower AAV, but I'd be willing to go that high.


No we can't. We haven't trade the playoffs in 12 years. We need to actually spend on multiple players. Not over pay one player by 35 to 45%, and one year too long.
May 11, 2023 at 9:46 p.m.
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Edited May 11, 2023 at 9:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Stadel
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Remarkably lively conversation regarding when an NHL player reaches their peak.
Makes one wonder why any NHL GM would offer any contract to a UFA.
As to the Sabres Mittelstadt, Tuch, Olofsson and Skinner had their career best years at 24, 27, 27 and 30 respectively, so I guess it depends on the player as to when they will reach their peak.
It would be shocking if Power, Krebs, Quinn and Peterka were not significantly better next year.
Will they make the same giant leap that Cozens did? Probably not to the same magnitude but certainly noteworthy.
As to the cap it will be $83.5KK next year and higher the following year while nearly certainly dropping Olofsson's $4,750,000 and Okposo's $3,000,000.
Hard to predict, but Thompson, Cozens and Samuelsson all took very friendly contracts, let's hope Power and Dahlin follow the pattern.
As to the UFA's great additions and could be sufficient to help the team reach 100 pts next season.
Maybe a bit rich for Mayfield but to your point @worldwidesensei that you did not want to under pay him.
As to next season, Adding a years experience to the young team should keep the team from suffering an 8 game stretch of Zero pts and a 12 game period with only 6.
100 pts IMO is certainable obrainable.

Well you all have good days, GO SABRES.
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May 11, 2023 at 11:43 p.m.
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
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Remarkably lively conversation regarding when an NHL player reaches their peak.
Makes one wonder why any NHL GM would offer any contract to a UFA.
As to the Sabres Mittelstadt, Tuch, Olofsson and Skinner had their career best years at 24, 27, 27 and 30 respectively, so I guess it depends on the player as to when they will reach their peak.
It would be shocking if Power, Krebs, Quinn and Peterka were not significantly better next year.
Will they make the same giant leap that Cozens did? Probably not to the same magnitude but certainly noteworthy.
As to the cap it will be $83.5KK next year and higher the following year while nearly certainly dropping Olofsson's $4,750,000 and Okposo's $3,000,000.
Hard to predict, but Thompson, Cozens and Samuelsson all took very friendly contracts, let's hope Power and Dahlin follow the pattern.
As to the UFA's great additions and could be sufficient to help the team reach 100 pts next season.
Maybe a bit rich for Mayfield but to your point worldwidesensei that you did not want to under pay him.
As to next season, Adding a years experience to the young team should keep the team from suffering an 8 game stretch of Zero pts and a 12 game period with only 6.
100 pts IMO is certainable obrainable.

Well you all have good days, GO SABRES.
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@stadel

That's the problem with "averages". When you talk about "average", you are including "above average" and "below average".

There are a lot more "below average" players that last 1-2-3 seasons.

When I just look at the top 100 in points (I understand this is a simple look at things, but I'm not about to do a huge big deep dive on the matter), I see:

18: 0 players
19: 0
20: 0
21: 5
22: 1
23: 6

Okay, according to the peaking chart there should be way more than 12/100, no?

24: 13
25: 10
26: 18 ( Wow, why are there so many 26 year olds, if players peak at 23?)
27: 8
28: 4
29: 11
30: 3
31: 3
32: 5
33: 3
34: 1
35: 4
36: 1
37: 3
38:1

If you look at those "peak years" charts, you'd think 21-24 year olds rule the league.

Looking at the top-100 in points, I see"

12: 21-23-year-olds
26-year-olds have the largest percentage by year of any age
75 players 25 or older.
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May 11, 2023 at 11:59 p.m.
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Just for fun, in that top 100 points leaders list, there are 25 players under 25. 3 of them are Sabres, including Mitts (I just need to laugh at people who call Mitts a bust, when he is 1 of the top 25 point-producing players in the league under 25)
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May 12, 2023 at 12:16 a.m.
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Olofsson >> Rousek, Biro and Kulich.

If the 3 of them all played 82 games they would be lucky to total 28 goals combined.


So, decided to have a look at NHLe:

I plugged in these players, plus Quinn and JJP:

Rousek is expected to get 32 points in the NHL, based off of his AHL season this year.
Biro 41
Kulich 30

Avg 33 points between the 3 of them. Olofsson had 28 GOALS.

JJP 39 ( He had 32)
Quinn 54 (37)

So, if anything that tool shoots a little high.

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_nhle.php
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May 12, 2023 at 3:26 a.m.
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Overpayment Mayfield and Compher. I can bet one of Savoie and Kulich will be in line up, maybe even both.
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May 12, 2023 at 1:00 p.m.
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Overpayment Mayfield and Compher. I can bet one of Savoie and Kulich will be in line up, maybe even both.


How much can you bet?

I take a conservative approach on contracts. If they would sign for less, even better. Just showing that they fit.
May 12, 2023 at 1:03 p.m.
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How much can you bet?

I take a conservative approach on contracts. If they would sign for less, even better. Just showing that they fit.


3bet squinty smile
May 12, 2023 at 1:16 p.m.
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3bet squinty smile


Sorry I don't understand.
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May 12, 2023 at 2:55 p.m.
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Sorry I don't understand.


Well, you asked how much I'm willing to bet, I answered 3bet (this is from poker). In general, I think one of Savoie and Kulich will be in the line-up next season, this is my guess (opinion).
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May 12, 2023 at 10:06 p.m.
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Well, you asked how much I'm willing to bet, I answered 3bet (this is from poker). In general, I think one of Savoie and Kulich will be in the line-up next season, this is my guess (opinion).


In the line-up, like all season long, or for some cups of tea?
May 13, 2023 at 2:55 a.m.
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In the line-up, like all season long, or for some cups of tea?


It's easier with Kulich because they can call him up and send him to the AHL if they need to. But Savoie does not have the right to play in the AHL, therefore, in line-up.
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