Agree to disagree, I guess.

Not a line driver, doesn't have much of a two way game, his size/weight is really advantageous to him in junior and once he rises up the ranks it won't give him the same edge.

Reminds me a lot of Debrusk in his draft year. And there's nothing wrong with that, but late 1st is about where I'd be willing to take him.

This offseason scares the fukc out of me with who we have driving the ship:

Evolving Hockey FA Predictions

Hathaway 4 years 2 million
Acciari 3 years 2,117,000
O’Reilly 3 years 5,482,238
Compher 4 years 5,696,000
Domi 3 year 4,572,000
Zucker 5 years 5,136,000
Graves 4 years 4,750,000
Mayfield 4 years 4,600,000
Clifton 3 years 3,100,000
Schenn 2 years 1,600,000
Mikkola 4 years 2,600,000
Cole 3 years 3,000,000
Dumoulin 4 years 4,300,000

RFA

Samsonov 4 years 5,100,000

If Samsonov's deal is projected to be that high, then I would start to believe the Hart rumors

Again, just predicting, but AFP has Samsonov at 4 years 5,004,191

I think we are kidding ourselves if we think it will be a number with a 3 on it. I’m just guessing but best case scenario is 4,750,000 range

That seems high to me. He's an RFA - if he won't sign a reasonable deal then let him sit. Depending on the term I'd actually be pretty shocked to see his $ surpass 4m by very much, if at all.

I’d love to see him at 3 X 3.75

I guess we will see, again just projecting, this isn’t set in stone. But they are usually pretty close

I think it would be 4.2 at the absolute lowest. I think moving on may be the best course. Betting on Woll isn't the worst idea, maybe look at a guy like Vladar

I'm looking at what Husso got 4.5mill x 3 years

What I would do with Schenn go 1.1mill but go 4 years and u might be going to much term well its buriable when he starts to suck Marlies

As apparently he wants term so we can keep the cap down and make it work

Sammy 4.5mill x 3 years

Acciari 1.75mill x 2 years

Please 🙏 get a new voice/system behind the bench

Issue rn there's literally nobody out there rn whose better

Unless a Mike Sullivan, John Cooper, or Jared Bednar become available there isnt anyone who u can go yea thats a sure upgrade over what we have

As rn the options are either downgrades or lateral moves

Gallant, Boudreau (no), Hynes, Laviolette, Sutter, Julien, Green, Vigneault etc.

Everyone's going Roy but lets be real coaching in the WHL is way easier than the NHL and hes not gonna want to coach a rival

Barry Trotz would have probs been the guy but hes a GM now and Joel Quenneville is someone who would be nice but also be a black stamp to the org and league

Keefe's not perfect but until someone better comes along hes the guy. And with Dubas gone who knows we may see the best coaching performance ever as nobody gonna bail him out now his buddy went to the retirement home

Dubas should have fired Keefe last year and hired Cassidy nope he wanted to stick to his buddy and system

We literally went from Babcock to Keefe (0 NHL experience)

Give TOR a new voice/system

Think to yourself why did the Leafs go from Backcock to Keefe. Oh right Dubas was GM and Keefe was his guy. Had 0 NHL experience but they were together since the SOO days and won the Calder cup together with the Marlies back in 2019. We all knew it was coming as Dubas wanted Keefe to be the HC after Boston beat Toronto again

But as for now this is a new situation. There's nobody out there. Leafs are moving to a new direction and unless a serious upgrade over Keefe becomes available there's no one out there rn. We fired the Marlies coach so no internal promotion and if we wanted new Carbery would be have been the guy but we let him go back to WSH.

I wouldnt mind giving Mitch Love a shot

I really don't like how the Leafs have been getting slower and slower over the last few years, and think they definitely need to correct that, but this measure of 'pace' seems a little sus.

Been reading his resume I dont mind him but I feel an experienced coach is what they need to push through the Atlantic. Issue is there's nobody whose good out there rn but the guy whose probs never getting an NHL job again

Gallant lasts 1-2 years then his system fails, Laviolette is to old school, Boudreau's a playoff choker, and the other candidates are worse than Keefe or 0 NHL experience (Gambles)

Cassidy would have been perfect but Dubas stuck to his guns one more time. Should have said time to change that year

Got a feeling if they kept Mikheyev we would have faster numbers. Guy outraced McDavid for a puck after all

But would not have been thrilled with that deal

Maybe adding Miles Wood to the 4th line to be with Lafferty would help

I’m also just sick of the style of play: constant re-groups, lineup decisions, they play slow, refuses to create offense from the backend, never start in time, play down to their opponents.

If they do intend to bring the core and Keefe, what are they banking on to get them to the next level? I’m sorry but I find it very hard to believe you couldn’t stick anyone behind the bench and get a 100 point season from this core. Keefe has been out coached in the playoffs, lost to two 8 seeds, a terrible home record in the playoffs, and if not for a miracle 1st round, we should have been out against TBL.

I’m honestly shocked if he is back next year with an extension.

Mitch Love 👀

Beat me to it. Agreed 100%

I was thinking about the rumors and here's the question that is tough to answer because we have no idea what kind of year Hart would have as a Leaf: Hart is under contract for the coming season but what about beyond that?

If Hart's ask is similar to what Sammy supposedly wants now, is it really worth trading for a guy and then having to pay him similar numbers to what the Leafs may be avoiding with Samsonov?

Many those salaries are high.


I'm prepared to trade Samsonov at that salary.

I'd be in on Carter Hart fo sure.
Other option Korpisalo

I don't think Husso is a good comparison for Ilya, I like Vanecek comparison.

If we can't make a move for Miller, I'd take Graves

Maybe a Hart and Frost exchange for Marner??? I know you want a top level talent back for Marner but this has me drooling

Hart would work cause the cap will raise quite a bit for 2024-25

Something like Robertson ++ for Hart and Allison wouldn't be half bad

I’m question to that is, what is Hart going to cost next year when you also have Matthews, Nylander, Liljegren needed deals too? Is Hart that much better than Samsonov 🤷‍♂️ you’d be willing to pay an extra 1 maybe 2 million (6-7) on his next deal. At this point if TOR is not planning on going with Samsonov trade him and go after Saros. You’ve at least got him locked up for the next two years at a manageable cap hit (5AAV) and you can say with some certainty he is a top 5 goalie in the NHL.

Otherwise go with the devil you know 🤷‍♂️