Pronman had him going to the Habs that still list for a C. IDK how that changes the board but I’m more confident he’ll be there at 21.

From what I’ve read, Stenberg plays a bit like Ostlund but has a weird production split. IMO not terribly interesting to me at 21 but I’m no scout.

Yeah from what I'm seeing across a few different lists, it seems pretty likely that both are avail at 21. Consensus seems to be that Stenberg projects more as a winger than C, so if that's accurate, I'd probably dock him down a bit given our needs. But yeah I'm no scout either, so guess we'll see.

Nuance is one thing but I'd just rather not lower the value of 17 oa for an asset I like but can be had for alternate pieces. At 17 I'd love if someone like Barlow or Wood maybe Danielson or Ritchie. I suppose the Rd options maybe Sandin-pillikka or wallander are available.

Feels like Danielson/Wallinder fit the bill at 9 for DET, Barlow or Simashev feel like decent bets at 17. Ritchie feels like he’s falling.

Well that's exactly the nuance. Until we see how the draft plays out, it's entirely possible that you could get one of those pieces at 21. So you'd be getting a player that you were perfectly content to take at 17 + Addison, without giving up the 2nd.

Or, just as well, it could be that none of those names are available at 17. If that were to happen, you would no longer be working within your top 6 preferred choices at 17....so the question is, do you really value choice number 7 MORE than what you'd have at 21?

It's not just that you're giving up a 1st for Addison when you don't have to. It's the opportunity cost of potentially get both Addison and one of your top choices without giving up a 2nd.

Danielson or Wallinder seem like reach at 9 in this draft but who knows the value of guys in the 7-15 range is all over the place. Big fan of simashev but we're just so loaded at LD I don't see him getting picked.

No I get it if you're at 17 and there are 6 dudes you love but I don't just assume they will but who knows maybe day of draft it makes sense but at this moment Its hard to say yes too.

For sure, I get that. I actually agree with you tbh. My only point this whole thread was that’s it’s not the type of trade you just snap decline on. “DET says no” is such a lazy reply.

Not directed at you, but this site is so rinse and repeat of “so and so laughs and hangs up”….but when anything even remotely reasonable pops up, it still gets met with the automatic insta-no’s. Like why the hell even spend time on this site if there’s no opportunity or interest to discuss valuations?

What's the story with Addison anyways, he seems affordable is he that bad defensively that Minny is just moving on ?

This is a fantastic question that doesn’t have a good answer. Addison didn’t have a great 5v5 year and the coach is asking him to play a game he can’t play. Still an electric factory on the PP and makes things happen in the O zone but it feels like there’s something personal between him and the coach.

I think Stenberg goes closer to 20 then 30

I wouldn’t be surprised if he did, I just know in most mocks his ranking was in the 40-50s before rising. I’m fine with Cossa, I just thought Wally was the guy.

"We're not trading back" do you ride on Stevie Y's shoulder or how do you fit the equation because I always laugh when I see people on these sites who act as though they know exactly what the actual GM is thinking. From a strictly value this isn't a horrible trade and you have ZERO clue if it would interest the actual GM.

Wild need to get bigger on the right side. Spurgeon/Addison/Faber don't provide much size and teams with bigger LW's can give that trio problems.

IMO, this is an overly simplistic reason. Addison will never be a stout D zone defender due to his size but can likely improve his poke checking ability and can already defend the rush with his skating, which is a complementary skill given how he should play in the O zone. Evason wants to play a game that assumes players don’t have any skill and that really kills potential for guys like Addison.

Speaking of over simplistic, Evason wants to play a game assuming players have no skill? If Addison played the game like Spurgeon you could do this. But he refuses because apparently he knows better. That tells me he needs to be awakened by being traded. If you look at teams remaining in the playoffs defensive size or players who play above their weight class is key. He cannot play defense like he's 5-9 170 lbs.

Evason’s system is about forechecking and limiting chances, Addison excels at pushing the offensive side of the game with possession. If he works on his stick checking this summer, I don’t see why he’s not a #4. I’m 100% with you that he’s not suited to that style but the coach needs to maximize the tools he has, not try to fit a square peg into a round hole.

We never got to see what he looks like next to Brods and that’s a pair I think has a lot of potential to both create and defend off the rush. You need to utilize Addison’s skating and vision to allow him to succeed, not force him to play net front.

Great engagement in this thread!

Theoretically the value is right and I appreciate the thought experiment. I actually came here to see what next team’s cap situation looks like. They don’t really have any cap dumps and no room to sign to get better. Looks like Guerin will be hunting for fun depth gambles and crossing fingers that Rossi is ready.

In both picks’ range I love Simashev and have lots of time for Hronek and But. Using all of your institutional knowledge and effort re getting Kaprizov to come over makes Minny a great team to land one of the Russian fallers

I mean, I agree with your point on Addison. But he DID play with Brodin for a short spell last year for something like 3 games or such while Dumba was out. I think they looked good together, but it was too short of a span to determine if he was a fit there or not.

I missed that I guess, lol. I think the bigger point is that I think Addy can have success with this team, but that will require Dean to move away from his platonic ideal of how to play.

Even if Addy is only a 4/5 d man at his peak, I just have a bad feeling that he’s gonna put up neutral defensive numbers and 50 pts a season if we give up on him.