I'm not really a math guy, but I count 15

had to include your boy aho

I don't understand this: somehow Matthews (in your opinion) is the 8th best centre in the league but in the top 9 forwards in the league? Especially when Point, Barkov and Peterson aren't? Then, for being a Sens fan, you are massively disrespecting Stuzle here... Stuzle>Crosby and Hughes

the other post was about building a team. I'd take Matthews on the third line LW over those guys yeah. Agree on Stutzle but didn't want to seem too much of a homer

stuzle is better than Crosby at speaking German, maybe, definitely not in hockey.

sid is still on of the best. he is number 4 right now. maybe 5 with mattews 4 but I'd still take Sid. all the others are still behind.

What does Hughes or Crosby have that Stuzle doesn't though? (This is the same logic I have with Matthews and Barkov/Petterson/Point/Thompson-height/Drai/Kaprizov etc.) I hate the Sens but think Stuzle is the best player on that team and for sure a top 10 centre rn...

But again, what does Crosby have that Stuzle doesn't/doesn't do way better?

you should reverse the question or we will be here talking till tomorrow.

what does stutzle better than Sid?

probably nothing but curious of what you think...

Stuzle is faster, has a better shot and manages to somehow always be in dangerous, open spaces to put the puck in the net, as a Leafs fan, I call it the "JT effect" as somehow, much like Stuzle, JT is always open in high danger scoring opportunities.

Crosby, while better below the goal line, has loss his touch when it comes to maneuvering below the goal line, so he's resorted to his shot, which makes him effective, but he's never been able to access those high danger scoring chances without coverage

Stutzle is one of the best players in the league at carrying the puck, zone entries, and beating guys 1 on 1. He's right up there with McDavid and Jack Hughes in that regard, which is why he'll be a 100 point player yearly moving forward.

Crosby's all around game is still there and as much as Stutzle had a career year, Crosby still had more points. He's the goat and until he still puts up numbers like that, he's not going anywhere

Pretty obviously biased list against Toronto here. Put Matthews at 2 or 3 and Petterson down to Matthews spot and your good.

I'd have a very hard time believing many NHL teams would pick Petterson over Point Barkov, Matthews, etc..

Lol, he is not better than either.

Hughes might be the best U23 player in the world

What does Hughes have that Stuzle doesn't do better?

I'm not so sure about that. I think this year has shown Matthews is not on the same level as Mackinnon or Draisaitl. He's in the 3rd tier with the next wave of centres and probably closer to the bottom of that tier. Petterson on the other hand is massively underrated. Putting up 100+ points and a +16 on that disaster of a team is very impressive. If you ever watch a canucks game, he's all over the ice. If you ever watch a leafs game, you may not notice Matthews a lot of nights (especially in playoffs)

I think Hughes and Stutzle are VERY similar. Hughes is a year older and probably a year ahead of stutzle's development.

He's better at hockey?

In what aspect of hockey?

Leon is not a center.

Hughes>tage, pettersson, point, barkov

Point>Barkov>Pettersson>Hughes>Tage

Simply better offensive and defensive metrics (Neither are good defensively though)

They are very similar if you compare 2023 Stutzle to 2022 Hughes though

Pettersson and Point couldn't even crack a PPG last year. Edit: let me rephrase, it took historical shooting luck for pettersson to finally crack a PPG for the first time in his career

Pettersson was literally playing with a sprained wrist for half the year. Also what historical shooting luck are you talking about? He literally shot below his career average this year smh. Look at you cherry picking stats, and then using LAST year to compare players. How about this year???? Pettersson is better than Hughes at this moment in time and it isn't a debate. Until Hughes can learn to play defense at the elite level Pettersson can, it isn't much of a discussion. You don't get 100 points and elite level defense by luck

27% for Kuzmenko, 22% from horvat being 30 of his points. I mean I also don't value his short handed points highly, considering he runs the worst PK in hockey, and running a league average PK would have allowed 20-25 or so fewer goals.

Pettersson's defensive stats are elite at 5v5. Do you really expect to turn a PK consisting of OEL and Myers into an elite PK? Of course not. Don't be ignorant. Even still, Pettersson's analytics show that he is the one carrying play and making everyone around him better. You keep cherry picking stats all you want, but Pettersson is overall the better player. Maybe when Hughes decides to play a 200 foot game, it will be another conversation. You also can't just take away points because of shooting percentage. Those points were hard earned. Lets not pretend like all of them were super lucky. Don't be ignorant