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Ferraros LA Bait

Created by: JamesS37
Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 26, 2023
Published: May 26, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
In all the deals I see where the Leafs trade Marner is that there isnt a bonafide setup guy that comes back. This one is no different as the lineup is full of shoot first guys and I think that'd be a huge problem.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
2$875,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$825,000
2$4,000,000
2$875,000
2$3,500,000
2$850,000
2$775,000
2$850,000
5$3,850,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,750,000
2$1,800,000
2$2,500,000
3$2,250,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Byfield, Quinton
  2. Dudas, Aidan [RFA Rights]
  3. Madden, Tyler [RFA Rights]
  4. Roy, Matt
  5. Vilardi, Gabriel [RFA Rights]
LAK
  1. Grebyonkin, Nikita [Reserve List]
  2. Hollowell, Mac [RFA Rights]
  3. Marner, Mitchell
2.
TOR
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (CHI)
CHI
  1. Murray, Matt
  2. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
3.
TOR
  1. Fischer, Christian [RFA Rights]
ARI
  1. Muzzin, Jake
  2. Robertson, Nicholas
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (NYI)
Additional Details:
Add Conditional Pick for 2025 if Fischer scores 20G
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$76,913,450$0$2,650,000$6,586,550
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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Waivers ExemptKnies, Matthew
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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Nylander, William
$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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Byfield, Quinton
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
LW, C
RFA - 1
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Tavares, John
$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 2
Vilardi, Gabriel
$4,000,000$4,000,000
RW, C
RFA - 2
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Järnkrok, Calle
$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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Acciari, Noel
$1,750,000$1,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
Fischer, Christian
$3,850,000$3,850,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Wood, Miles
$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW
UFA - 6
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Holmberg, Pontus
$875,000$875,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
Fast, Jesper
$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Rielly, Morgan
$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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Schenn, Luke
$1,800,000$1,800,000
RD
UFA - 3
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Samsonov, Ilya
$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 1
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McCabe, Jake
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Los Angeles Kings
Roy, Matt
$3,150,000$3,150,000
RD
UFA - 1
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Woll, Joseph
$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 2
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Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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Liljegren, Timothy
$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Timmins, Conor
$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
RFA - 2
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Giordano, Mark
$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
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Lafferty, Sam
$1,150,000$1,150,000
RW, C, LW
UFA - 1

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May 26, 2023 at 3:20 p.m.
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tkecanuck341
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So Kings take on an $11M player without sending back any salary? Take out Roy and Vilardi and still no.
May 26, 2023 at 3:27 p.m.
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JamesS37
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
So Kings take on an $11M player without sending back any salary? Take out Roy and Vilardi and still no.


They take back potentially $6m in salary if Byfield meets his bonus and Roy's $3+mil. The problem with this tool is you can't (or I dont know how to) 3 team trade which is almost a guarantee in any trade involving a $10+mil salary
May 26, 2023 at 3:34 p.m.
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Garak
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LA and CHI decline. AZ might be interested.
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May 26, 2023 at 3:35 p.m.
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Byfield and a big pile of meh doesn’t get you Marner..
May 26, 2023 at 3:36 p.m.
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tkecanuck341
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Quoting: JamesS37
They take back potentially $6m in salary if Byfield meets his bonus and Roy's $3+mil. The problem with this tool is you can't (or I dont know how to) 3 team trade which is almost a guarantee in any trade involving a $10+mil salary


Byfield met none of his bonuses this season. Roy won't be moved.

The only way a Marner to LA trade works is if Toronto takes back Doughty (assuming Doughty is even willing to waive his NTC), or Toronto takes back Petersen, Arvidsson, and Walker in addition to the prospect and draft pick haul they would get.

Both of those are longshots, so there's not a trade to be made here.
May 26, 2023 at 3:41 p.m.
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OldNYIfan
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You've got $4.2 million in cap going out (Vilardi doesn't currently count against our cap) and Byfield's bonus is irrelevant since what counts is the cap on Opening Day, not July 1, 2024. And you've got $10.9 million in cap coming in plus two roster slots opened up, neither of which is going to be filled by Grebenkin or Hollowell, and that's if we wanted to trade away virtually the entire careers of Byfield and Vilardi (two potential All-Stars) for two seasons of Mitch Marner. So entirely apart from value, this exchange is literally a physical impossibility.
May 26, 2023 at 3:44 p.m.
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Newtown
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
Byfield met none of his bonuses this season. Roy won't be moved.

The only way a Marner to LA trade works is if Toronto takes back Doughty (assuming Doughty is even willing to waive his NTC), or Toronto takes back Petersen, Arvidsson, and Walker in addition to the prospect and draft pick haul they would get.

Both of those are longshots, so there's not a trade to be made here.


If you don’t want to pay for a 26 year old 99 point Selke finalist that was 1st team all-star at RW the last 2 seasons than you don’t get the 26 year old 99 point Selke finalist that was 1st team all-star at RW the last 2 seasons.

Simply, Marner will cost too much for your taste.
May 26, 2023 at 3:44 p.m.
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Hawks decline and counter with their '23 3rd in place of the '23 2nd.
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May 26, 2023 at 3:54 p.m.
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tkecanuck341
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Quoting: Newtown
If you don’t want to pay for a 26 year old 99 point Selke finalist that was 1st team all-star at RW the last 2 seasons than you don’t get the 26 year old 99 point Selke finalist that was 1st team all-star at RW the last 2 seasons.

Simply, Marner will cost too much for your taste.


I'm not saying I wouldn't pay for him. Like I said, there would be a significant prospect and draft pick haul going along with the pieces I mentioned. But if Toronto is getting such a huge haul, they need to accommodate the cap of the team that is giving up the huge haul. Toronto doesn't get a futures windfall and $8M+ in cap space.
May 26, 2023 at 4:12 p.m.
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Fjordy
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At first I thought it was Dubas
 
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