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Talking myself into Hayes

Created by: macca2119
Team: 2023-24 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 7, 2023
Published: Jun. 8, 2023
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I am adamantly against trading for Hayes...so as a thought exercise, how would I do it if forced.

I looked at Manson (yes I know he has a NTC) and thought... would Torts ever love a big, rugged D-man like Manson (prob way more than Girard). Or, this could be a 3-teamer with Manson landing up somewhere else. Ultimately I am trading big and slower D for big and slower C.

I also want to add a lot of skating and toughness to the bottom 6. Acciari / Hathaway / Reese can all skate and PK. (would trade out Reese if Cogs wants to come back)

I like a $3-$4M D man as the 5th D-man. Lots of choices (Graves, Mayfield, etc) but I went with Soucy.

Time to put Newhook and Meyers at C and find out if they are fixtures or not.

And Hawks fans...the draft equity is equal and don't forget, you are not done tanking. You will be amazed at how McDermid will help with both sticking up for the kids and tanking your D-core.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$925,000
3$4,250,000
1$850,000
1$850,000
1$950,000
2$2,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$2,000,000
3$2,500,000
2$1,500,000
1$1,000,000
4$4,250,000
1$1,000,000
1$1,250,000
Trades
1.
COL
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (NYR)
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (TBL)
  3. 2023 7th round pick (CHI)
CHI
  1. MacDermid, Kurtis
  2. 2023 1st round pick (COL)
2.
COL
  1. Hayes, Kevin ($2,142,857 retained)
PHI
  1. Manson, Josh
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (NYR)
  3. 2025 3rd round pick (COL)
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2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$84,000,000$80,041,072$637,500$0$3,958,928
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Drouin, Jonathan
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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MacKinnon, Nathan
$12,600,000$12,600,000
C
NMC
UFA - 8
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Rantanen, Mikko
$9,250,000$9,250,000
RW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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Lehkonen, Artturi
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
Hayes, Kevin
$1,428,572$1,428,572
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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Nichushkin, Valeri
$6,125,000$6,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 7
Hathaway, Garnet
$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
Newhook, Alex
$2,250,000$2,250,000
C, LW
RFA - 4
Acciari, Noel
$2,500,000$2,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
Aston-Reese, Zach
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
Meyers, Ben
$950,000$950,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
O'Connor, Logan
$1,050,000$1,050,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Toews, Devon
$4,100,000$4,100,000
LD
UFA - 1
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Makar, Cale
$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
Georgiev, Alexandar
$3,400,000$3,400,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
Byram, Bowen
$4,250,000$4,250,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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Girard, Samuel
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 4
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Francouz, Pavel
$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 1
Soucy, Carson
$4,250,000$4,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
Johnson, Erik
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Stecher, Troy
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
Landeskog, Gabriel
$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 6

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Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:44 a.m.
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Flyers accept
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:49 a.m.
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Hawks accept
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:55 a.m.
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Quoting: Madrigal
Flyers accept


We don’t need Manson for 3 more years. If you add in $4.5M and we retain $2M that’s $6.5M instead of Hayes’ $7.15M why would we do this lol
Jun. 8, 2023 at 10:43 a.m.
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Hawks would make that trade if they haven't already used one or both of those picks to move up from #19 in the 1st round.
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 10:46 a.m.
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Quoting: Hawksguy81
Hawks would make that trade if they haven't already used one or both of those picks to move up from #19 in the 1st round.


see fair trades can happen on AGM
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 10:47 a.m.
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Quoting: TheBigFlyera
We don’t need Manson for 3 more years. If you add in $4.5M and we retain $2M that’s $6.5M instead of Hayes’ $7.15M why would we do this lol


Flyers fans seem to want to move on from Hayes and move him to the Avs. I don't want to make this trade, but was trying to come up with a way to make it work. I would suspect in a trade like this, they would be able to flip Manson pretty easily to a D-hungy team.
Jun. 8, 2023 at 10:53 a.m.
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Flyers fans seem to want to move on from Hayes and move him to the Avs. I don't want to make this trade, but was trying to come up with a way to make it work. I would suspect in a trade like this, they would be able to flip Manson pretty easily to a D-hungy team.


If they are able to flip Manson easily why wouldn’t the Avs do that in a separate deal? Doesn’t make sense to me why the Flyers have to flip the player when the Avs can just do so
Jun. 8, 2023 at 10:58 a.m.
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Quoting: Hawksguy81
Hawks would make that trade if they haven't already used one or both of those picks to move up from #19 in the 1st round.


Agree, but there are plenty of trade chips on the board to do both. Still left with 2 2nds and 2 3rds both this and next year. I think if the Hawks want/need additional 2nds this or next draft, they probably have frameworks of deals on the table for dumps...Bailey, Mantha, Murray, etc.

I'll be disappointed (I know real world problems I have) if we do not grab an additional first round pick in the 20's (NYR, COL, VGK, BOS (via TOR) and upgrade the #19
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 11:05 a.m.
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Quoting: wojohawk
Agree, but there are plenty of trade chips on the board to do both. Still left with 2 2nds and 2 3rds both this and next year. I think if the Hawks want/need additional 2nds this or next draft, they probably have frameworks of deals on the table for dumps...Bailey, Mantha, Murray, etc.

I'll be disappointed (I know real world problems I have) if we do not grab an additional first round pick in the 20's (NYR, COL, VGK, BOS (via TOR) and upgrade the #19


I'd like to see KD use #19 and 3 of the 4 2nd's to get #11 and #14. I still think that's a real possibility. I wouldn't trade either of the '24 2nd's unless we have a 3rd one in our poccesion already at the draft. Bird in the hand... I'm not that confident in any of the 3 trades you referenced.
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 11:19 a.m.
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I'd like to see KD use #19 and 3 of the 4 2nd's to get #11 and #14. I still think that's a real possibility. I wouldn't trade either of the '24 2nd's unless we have a 3rd one in our poccesion already at the draft. Bird in the hand... I'm not that confident in any of the 3 trades you referenced.


If one of the '24 2nds gets us into the 1st this year....I am all in....as a wise man said "bird in hand". I would be hesitant to use our own as it will likely be one of the first in the round and a defacto late 1st (but if value in a trade is appropriate....even that is on the table for me).
Bailey with a 2nd to the Hawks is a match made in heaven and there simply are not THAT many teams that can take 5 million in cap.
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 3:38 p.m.
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Quoting: TheBigFlyera
If they are able to flip Manson easily why wouldn’t the Avs do that in a separate deal? Doesn’t make sense to me why the Flyers have to flip the player when the Avs can just do so


I hear you. My reasoning would be that I would see Philly flipping for futures and Avs are definitely not moving player for futures, which is why I wouldn't the Avs trading Manso without a 2C coming back.
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 3:40 p.m.
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Quoting: wojohawk
Agree, but there are plenty of trade chips on the board to do both. Still left with 2 2nds and 2 3rds both this and next year. I think if the Hawks want/need additional 2nds this or next draft, they probably have frameworks of deals on the table for dumps...Bailey, Mantha, Murray, etc.

I'll be disappointed (I know real world problems I have) if we do not grab an additional first round pick in the 20's (NYR, COL, VGK, BOS (via TOR) and upgrade the #19


I've thought about a Chi / Col trade for weeks. Even if that Avs don't flip the two 2nd's, they need ALL the chips they can get. If Colorado is not using the 1st for a player, this type of trade makes a TON of sense.
Jun. 8, 2023 at 3:42 p.m.
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As an Avs fan this is terrible. especially considering where the OA picks stand. Sakic would tell McF to hang up the phone.
Jun. 8, 2023 at 8:19 p.m.
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Quoting: MrLaheySays
As an Avs fan this is terrible. especially considering where the OA picks stand. Sakic would tell McF to hang up the phone.


It was an exercise. As I stated, I don't particularly want Hayes, but if the 2C carousel stops and the Avs find themselves without on, Hayes becomes an option.
Jun. 8, 2023 at 11:44 p.m.
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Quoting: TheBigFlyera
We don’t need Manson for 3 more years. If you add in $4.5M and we retain $2M that’s $6.5M instead of Hayes’ $7.15M why would we do this lol


I thought Manson was a pending UFA. my bad.
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Jun. 9, 2023 at 11:11 a.m.
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Quoting: Madrigal
I thought Manson was a pending UFA. my bad.


3 more years! Fingers crossed 3 more healthy years.
 
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