Did I miss something? Kuznetsov is a cap dump all of a sudden - unlikely capitals do this; the retention is the cherry on top of the turd

Kuzy is not a cap dump and if the title implies that he is it’s not supposed to. Right now there’s a lot of attention on Kevin Hayes coming to Colorado, but that attention is also on Kuzy. Between Kuznetsov and Hayes, I believe the Avs are better off getting Kuzy, but no one is saying he’s a dump. Either that or I think you saw the 6th rounder at the top and missed the 2024 first because that trade is pretty even, though we can squabble about the later round picks.

A 24 1st rounder for a 1 or 2 C at 50% retention (2 years) is a fair return then? Give me a break…if he’s not a cap dump, then you must think the caps gm is an idiot

Caps retain $1.75 million. Even some Caps ACGMs have him retained at $2 million. I have it as a 3 team trade with a 7th and 4th going about for retaining $2.15 million for 2 years.

Caps retain 22.4% and they send you a 4th which you use (essentially) to get some other team to retain up to 50%. So you get a legit 2c (Stanley cup winner) @ 50% retention for two years and all it costs you is a 2024 1st; a late 1st likely at that. Points for trying 😂

Actually used a Colorado 4th.

Even greasier 😅, you kept the caps 4th which is likely higher and sent your pick for retention - brilliant 😂 . If only the real world worked like this

Teams do that all the time though, so I don’t know what you’re thinking right now. For example, the Kings retained 30% Provorov for 2 AHLers (but got rid of Petersen) and the Wild + Coyotes retained some deadline deals as 3rd teams in a trade. Did you see them?

nah barabanov is worth a 2nd or more... SJ definitely wouldn't be sending one back

A third then?

no I mean SJ is likely not sending picks back if they trade Barabanov. He's straight up worth at least a 2nd. Budget top 2nd line forward which is why you want him

Cool, good to know.

I understand how 3rd party retention works. What is laughable is that you think you can obtain a legit 2C in this league with 2 years term on sweet cap hit (50% retention) and all it will cost you is a late 1st next year. If that’s all it takes - my leafs offer a 20424 1st for Manson + 4th; Avs retain 22% and we’ll then use the 4th to get some patsy to retain 28%. Surely you see how ridiculous that premise is

Throw in like a 4th or 5th this year and you got yourself a deal for Barabonov.

Like other posters on here, I like to look through other ACGMs to see how fans of teams value their own players. If you look at Caps trade proposals to Colorado, they all revolve around sending a 1st round pick AND retention. You can state your opinion on value, but almost always the main trade piece sent to Washington is a first round pick in ‘23 or ‘24. We can’t really talk about value in the other parts of the trade unless we establish that.

Too many focus on winning the trade. For the Avs, they'll need retention and probably would prefer to give up picks/prospects rather than roster players.

This roster end result from the Avs perspective is realistic. The Avs need two major Forward additions, which you've done.

Personally, I like Kuz for his high end offensive skill and Cup experience. To me, guys like Hayes who max out at 50pts just don't cut it. I'd bet his recent poor play is just sandbagging for a losing team while playing out the contract. Send him to a contender and we could see a huge turnaround, just like Cogliano or Dadonov.

Exactly, the main reason I prefer Kuznetsov over Hayes is the fact that he has a way higher ceiling and is just a complete upgrade over him at mostly the same price. In this ACGM I’ve bickered over the finer details of the trade but at the end of the day, it’s fairly realistic and almost perfect for the Avs considering the circumstances.

Kuzy's the better choice for the Avs to my mind if available and whilst I think it's maybe a tad on the stingy side for the Caps it's not far off value.

Barabanov I don't think you'd get that high a pick coming back with him, maybe a 4th or possibly a low end prospect the Avs are high on.