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Mantha flip

Created by: Rsamuelson
Team: 2023-24 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 12, 2023
Published: Jun. 12, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Kuznetsov, Evgeny
  2. Mantha, Anthony
  3. 2023 1st round pick (WSH)
WSH
  1. Boeser, Brock
  2. Miller, J.T.
  3. 2023 1st round pick (VAN)
2.
VAN
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Mantha, Anthony ($2,350,000 retained)
  2. 2023 4th round pick (VAN)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
18$83,500,000$65,008,750$850,000$850,000$18,491,250
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$7,350,000$7,350,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$3,900,000$3,900,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,950,000$4,950,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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$4,150,000$4,150,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$825,000$825,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$883,750$883,750
C
RFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
C
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
RW, C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,850,000$7,850,000
LD
UFA - 4
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
UFA - 3
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$4,400,000$4,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
LD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 2

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Jun. 12, 2023 at 2:59 p.m.
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Caps hard pass. MAYBE if you removed the 1st round picks, but even then don't think Caps want to get wrapped up in Millers contract.
Jun. 12, 2023 at 3:03 p.m.
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Am I crazy for thinking the Caps would be fine with this? If Kuzy isn't interested in sticking around, and a team is willing to throw two roster players back to us to offload the Mantha contract, could be a win win if Miller's production stays high.
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Jun. 12, 2023 at 3:08 p.m.
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Edited Jun. 12, 2023 at 3:14 p.m.
I feel like Miller > Kuznetsov, Boeser > Mantha and the difference between 8th and 11th doesn't come close to closing the gap.

Boeser for Mantha is an interesting framework for a deal though.
Jun. 12, 2023 at 3:10 p.m.
#4
Hurricane Waddell
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That trade with WSH hurts my brain when I start to think about it
Jun. 12, 2023 at 3:14 p.m.
#5
Lets Get Kraken
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So Mantha gets dumped on Vancouver, where all of a sudden, he now has high positive value?
Jun. 12, 2023 at 3:14 p.m.
#6
Skip skibbity
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JT Miller is a hard no.
Jun. 12, 2023 at 3:40 p.m.
#7
Bunch of Jerks
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That feels like a Carolina type of trade- one year at that cap hit and the difference between a late second and mid 4th. Feels very Carolina, don't hate it
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Jun. 12, 2023 at 3:41 p.m.
#8
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Quoting: evelutions2
So Mantha gets dumped on Vancouver, where all of a sudden, he now has high positive value?


Boeser for Mantha is almost a 1 for 1 negative value player trade the canucks get save 1 million in cap space with Mantha and Kuzy and get to move up from 11 to 8 using the value difference between Miller and Kuzy. It probably needs a lower level prospect from Washington or a low value second or third from Washington to equal the trade. Maybe even a retention on Mantha or Kuzy
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Jun. 12, 2023 at 3:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac555
That trade with WSH hurts my brain when I start to think about it


Agreed it hurts bad
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Jun. 12, 2023 at 4:15 p.m.
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Take miller and kuznetsov out and it’s a good trade.
 
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