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Created by: ecupirate07

Team: 2023-24 Carolina Hurricanes

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 15, 2023

Published: Jun. 16, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

All that movement and we only lost 3 roster players. pretty good.

If we give Aho 8x 10 million, Jarvis 8 x 7, Demelo 4 x4, Chatfield 5 x 3, and Nino a 4 x 5

that would leave us with 8.5 million to keep Martinook, get a 3LD, 2 extras, 1 4th liner, and 1 3rd winger for 24-25. That is doable.

but this all fantasy as I dont see the Jets' fans liking the trade. Necas wants to play center. Jets will need a center with Scheifele and PLD likely gone. Extend necas with a nice 8 year deal to play center and he'll be just fine.

Free Agent Signings

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Andersen, Frederik	2	$4,500,000
MacEachern, Mackenzie	1	$775,000
Staal, Jordan	2	$3,500,000
Acciari, Noel	2	$1,650,000

Trades

CAR

3 way trade glitch again.

BUF

Jokiharju, Henri

CAR

Rosén, Isak
2023 1st round pick (BUF)
2024 2nd round pick (BUF)

BUF

Pesce, Brett

Additional Details:

pesce extended

CAR

2023 1st round pick (DAL)
2023 1st round pick (TOR)

STL

2023 1st round pick (BUF)

CAR

PHI

Drury, Jack
Gunler, Noel
2023 1st round pick (DAL)
2023 1st round pick (TOR)
2024 2nd round pick (BUF)

CAR

Additional Details:

Morrissey for Necas, 1st and Morrow. Rosen and 2 2nds for Nino and Demelo

WPG

Morrow, Scott [Reserve List]
Necas, Martin
Rosén, Isak
2023 1st round pick (CAR)
2023 2nd round pick (CAR)
2024 2nd round pick (PHI)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$83,500,000	$81,879,417	$450,000	$500,000	$1,620,583

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Svechnikov, Andrei $7,750,000$7,750,000 LW, RW UFA - 6	Aho, Sebastian $8,460,250$8,460,250 C UFA - 1	Konecny, Travis $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Niederreiter, Nino $4,000,000$4,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Kotkaniemi, Jesperi $4,820,000$4,820,000 C UFA - 7	Jarvis, Seth $894,167$894,167 ($500,000$500K) RW RFA - 1
Laughton, Scott $3,000,000$3,000,000 C, LW UFA - 3	Staal, Jordan $3,500,000$3,500,000 C, LW UFA - 4	Teräväinen, Teuvo $5,400,000$5,400,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1
Martinook, Jordan $1,800,000$1,800,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Acciari, Noel $1,650,000$1,650,000 C, RW UFA - 3	Noesen, Stefan $762,500$762,500 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Slavin, Jaccob $5,300,000$5,300,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Burns, Brent $5,280,000$5,280,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Kochetkov, Pyotr $2,000,000$2,000,000 G UFA - 4
Morrissey, Joshua $6,250,000$6,250,000 LD NMC UFA - 5	DeMelo, Dylan $3,000,000$3,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Andersen, Frederik $4,500,000$4,500,000 G UFA - 2
Skjei, Brady $5,250,000$5,250,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 1	Chatfield, Jalen $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
MacEachern, Mackenzie $775,000$775,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
Seeler, Nick $775,000$775,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Jun. 16, 2023 at 9:04 a.m.

sk540

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I'd want Morrow instead of Drury if I were the Flyers.

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Jun. 16, 2023 at 9:08 a.m.

ecupirate07

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Quoting: sk540

I'd want Morrow instead of Drury if I were the Flyers.

I had a trade approval for Laughton and Seeler for drury, a 2nd, and gunler. I knew Philly was asking 2 1sts for TK. Basically I just mashed the 2 trades together.

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Jun. 16, 2023 at 9:17 a.m.

GirouxCrew

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Quoting: ecupirate07

I had a trade approval for Laughton and Seeler for drury, a 2nd, and gunler. I knew Philly was asking 2 1sts for TK. Basically I just mashed the 2 trades together.

One person saying they would take that trade doesn’t speak for everyone. I agree that the Flyers would want Morrow. They need help at C, yes but they want to focus on building out the defense. Especially with a forward heavy draft they will be targeting D prospects in trade, especially RHD ( as they already showed with the provorov deal)

Jun. 16, 2023 at 9:18 a.m.

ecupirate07

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Quoting: GirouxCrew

sure but this individual was only one saying yes or no. what was i supposed to do? I could sub in Heimosalmi in this deal instead of Gunler. Morrow is already spoken for.

Jun. 16, 2023 at 9:26 a.m.

GirouxCrew

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Quoting: ecupirate07

sure but this individual was only one saying yes or no. what was i supposed to do? I could sub in Heimosalmi in this deal instead of Gunler. Morrow is already spoken for.

Yeah you are going backwards there with that sub in terms of value. I didn’t say we’d take just any RHD. And btw you are getting absolutely robbed in that WPG trade. A high quality RD prospect, a young almost PPG forward, a recent former first rounder , a 1st round pick and 2 seconds for a defenseman who just had a career year and you don’t know if they will repeat that, a 3rd pair dman and a goo middle 6 winger. WPG takes that and loses your number so you don’t try to take it back

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Jun. 16, 2023 at 9:31 a.m.

ecupirate07

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Quoting: GirouxCrew

unfortunately, you have to ay overpay or way underpay to generate discussion and its is an overpay, it is what it is. Heimo isnt just any RHD. THW had him as the 88th prospect in the league. Gunler isnt on the list.

we would likely shrink the deal down to keep morrow out instead of moving Morrow inter-division.

Jun. 16, 2023 at 9:32 a.m.

JLance

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Sabres give you Rosen or the 1st. Definitely don't get both.

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Jun. 16, 2023 at 9:35 a.m.

ecupirate07

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Quoting: JLance

Sabres give you Rosen or the 1st. Definitely don't get both.

you would be the first to say that so, ill take it under consideration. Buffalo fans have accepted the idea.

Jun. 16, 2023 at 10:03 a.m.

JLance

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Quoting: ecupirate07

you would be the first to say that so, ill take it under consideration. Buffalo fans have accepted the idea.

Take a look at the top 4 defenseman market in the past year. I can promise you, you won't get both from Buffalo, nor will you get similar value from any other team. 13 and Rosen? And a 2nd? Feel free to revisit this post, post-trade.

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Jun. 16, 2023 at 10:05 a.m.

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ecupirate07

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Quoting: JLance

i would have promised you wouldnt get more than a 3rd round pick for Jeannot but i was wrong. I dont find the dealing of pesce to be overly realistic anyways. even then taken Rosen out of the deal isnt a huge thing cuz I overpaid Winnipeg anyways. So we would just take him out of that deal with little issue.

Jun. 16, 2023 at 10:11 a.m.

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Quoting: ecupirate07

Apples and screwdrivers my man. The Sabres are not the Lightning in their competitive curve. If Pesce doesn't re-sign, they all but came out and said he's getting traded. So, until that extension is in place, you're already dealing with the 'negative' value of teams knowing you want/need to trade him before the TDL to get any value for him.

The Sabres 1st, Sabres 2nd or Jokiharju is probably close. This value resembles both Provorov and Chychrun, respectively given their ages, terms and talent.

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Jun. 16, 2023 at 10:20 a.m.

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Quoting: JLance

not apples and screwdrivers. i mean GMs value players and contracts differently. Doesnt mean Adams wont overvalue Pesce if he really believes he helps put them over the hump and finally get into the playoffs.

Jun. 16, 2023 at 10:24 a.m.

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JLance

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Quoting: ecupirate07

As the market has shown, top 4 defensemen can be had. Pesce is not the only guy around the league in his class of player. I really do encourage you to take a trip through the defensive trades in the past even two years. The only guy who exceeded the value of a 1st and a 2nd was Seth Jones, as he's seen/was seen as a top pair defenseman.

Look, if I'm wrong, feel free to put me on blast. I'm pretty confident I won't be.

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Jun. 16, 2023 at 10:25 a.m.

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Quoting: JLance

As the market has shown, top 4 defensemen can be had. Pesce is not the only guy around the league in his class of player. I really do encourage you to take a trip through the defensive trades in the past even two years. The only guy who exceeded the value of a 1st and a 2nd (+ maybe additional minor pieces) was Seth Jones, as he's seen/was seen as a top pair defenseman.

Look, if I'm wrong, feel free to put me on blast. I'm pretty confident I won't be.

Jun. 16, 2023 at 10:26 a.m.

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Quoting: JLance

i have 0 need to put you on blast if you are wrong. you arent trolling me. we are just having a discussion here.

Jun. 16, 2023 at 10:27 a.m.

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Quoting: ecupirate07

Quoting: JLance

i have 0 need to put you on blast if you are wrong. you arent trolling me. we are just having a discussion here.

Noted, I would still love to revisit in the case of an actual trade to discuss.

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Jun. 17, 2023 at 10:37 a.m.

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canesfan2086

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Jarvis will need to have 60-80 points this year to get 8 x 7. I see him as a bridge at 3-4 years at 4-5 mil

Jun. 17, 2023 at 10:44 a.m.

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Quoting: canesfan2086

Jarvis will need to have 60-80 points this year to get 8 x 7. I see him as a bridge at 3-4 years at 4-5 mil

That’s not how contract extensions work for young players

Jun. 17, 2023 at 10:47 a.m.

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canesfan2086

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Quoting: ecupirate07

That’s not how contract extensions work for young players

?????

Not every RFA gets an 8 year deal coming right off their ELC…

Jun. 17, 2023 at 10:51 a.m.

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Quoting: canesfan2086

?????

Not every RFA gets an 8 year deal coming right off their ELC…

you give a guy money for 8 years based on their projections. If he you think he is a 70-80 point guy, you sign him to a deal that pays him like that over 8 years knowing he will likely grow beyond that. but he if he reaches 70-80 points he will cost more than 7 million per because he will likely grow beyond that from 23-27.

Jun. 17, 2023 at 11:04 a.m.

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canesfan2086

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Quoting: ecupirate07

I guess I’m thinking more that Jarvis would rather take a bridge and bet on himself and the cap going up

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