13 to 10 shouldn't be more than a 3rd.

Depending on who's there, I would take Myers of there Hands and give them are 4th

Who is Myers?

Heh.

Oops wrong post

Unfortunately via past history it's probably not. But in this draft it may be. This may be the only spot it's worth it in pure draft capital where it may make sense. There's a string of teams that need to add defense from 10-13. If Buffalo really loves one of the defenseman and Willander and ASP are still on the board I could see it.

From the Blues POV (In my mind at least) it's probably not worth it unless an early 2nd/mid 2nd is coming back. We're probably better off just getting the guy we want. I think Armstrong had commented in one of his releases that he had made a mistake of doing it before of trying to move back to get additional assets and the guy they wanted was picked.

I think with the Blues needing to address 2 potential areas though, and most of the upper end defenseman being Right Shot, it could be realistic that they do move back a few spots and snag a center.

I think buffalos 13th pick in play for a defenseman/goalie upgrades, the cupboard is full time for some immediate help, right goalie to pair with Levi and above a ufa buy, or big physical defenseman that can push the top 4 maybe. Lots of size up front so possibly some secondary scoring. I would dangle 13 and see if you can find the right fit to get this team over the top.

it should cost around a second round pick, people saying less is wishful thinking ad history showed.

It all depends on how the picks come off ahead of them. If three guys they want are still there (say, Danielson, Moore and Willander) and they can get something good (an earlyish 23 2nd, some sort of cap moving deal, a cheap and useful piece with something to prove like Vrana/Kap, etc.) to move back a couple spots, I might go for it. But really, I'm just seeing what kind of things people will come up with.

Wrong. 14 to 11 took the 45th overall which is a mid 2nd round pick

In what draft

2019. in 2021, it took the 91st overall (Late 3rd) to move up from 22 to 20. Moving spots costs more than you think

By the same GM that traded a first and second for risto?

And one spot from #12 to #11 costed a 3rd in 2016

I mean there are plenty of examples that show moving 3 spots costs more than a 3rd. Moving 3 spots costs a 3rd LATE in the 1st round, but not in the top 15

Aka a 3rd

I don't think this is entirely accurate as it suggests moving from 12 to 13 would cost at minimum the 204th overall

Just look at history. A 3rd may get you from 25th to 22nd, but it won't get you from 13th to 10th.

Just because some GMs overpay doesn't invalidate my use of the valuation chart. Clearly organizations value picks differently, but going off the resources that the general public has, going from 13 to 10 equals a 3rd round pick.

"Some". Come on, seriously. I'm guessing you haven't even spent 1 minute looking at past trades Clearly you are unwilling to educate yourself. The cost of moving 3 spots LATE in the first round is a 3rd round pick, but any higher, and it will cost more. There are plenty of examples

The further you go back in the draft day trades list, the more wild they get. Buffalo traded the 13th and 74th overall pick for the 12th overall pick to get Tyler Myers. The Kings had to pay the 17th and 28th overall to acquire the 12th overall. A late first round pick for moving up 5 spots

It’s just formula based on previous trades. Not a hard rule.

It’s pretty useful when making ACGMs and moving around mid-round picks…but at top of draft, there is likely more deviation.

Heh. A ka his is one man's fully subjective model spanning across decades of drafts, so you can go ahead and throw that out, especially this summer.