That Carolina trade is awful. I wouldn’t give up Hoglander or Beauvillier 50% retained for Suzuki straight up, let alone both

Dumba is a terrible fit for Hughes and Silovs is a much better option than Kallgren

Dumba is so overrated and not worth that term or money imo.

The hoglander trade is terrible. Why give up 2 legit NHLers for a guy that hasn't seen anything but the AHL. You do realize that's not Nick Suzuki you're trading for right? Habs fans before you flame me I am fully aware that Hoglander and Beauvillier wouldn't be anywhere near enough to get N.Suzuki so just settle down. lol

Uhh... yeah, I think that's a bad deal for both teams. Suzuki straight up has more value than that. He's been absolutely dominant when he's played but the struggles with injuries have slowed his development. This is the kind of deal where I think you mean Drury instead of Suzuki because it's a better fit for everyone

What? This is just straight-up better for the Canes. Hoglander and Suzuki were in the same draft, Hoglander had more points in fewer AHL games than Suzuki did this year and has 100+ NHL games to Suzuki's 0. Same player, Hoglander >> Suzuki right now. It is only because the Canucks have a gluttony of wingers that Hoglander is playing in the minors, obvious to anyone watching Abbotsford that he was ready for the show at the end of the season. Add on Beauvillier at half price and you've got two Top-6/9 wingers for under 3m next season, that's way better than a single prospect winger turning 23 next year and not showing offensive prowess even in the minors.

Suzuki plays a more valuable position, Suzuki's also got FAR better upside. Not to mention, Suzuki's AHL underlyings have been monsterous, and there's a reason that the Canes have not given up on him. Hoglander has regressed every season he's played in terms of NHL underlyings and is starting to look more and more like another Puljujarvi in an analytical sense. Beauviller cannot play defense and would be banished to the press box in Raleigh, they did it with Haula, Dzingel, Stastny and just so many players who were better than Beauvillier when they arrived.

But you insist, so let's look at it this way. Where is Carolina strongest across their forward core? On the wings. Where could they use the extra help? Down the middle. Who is Carolina's best center prospect? Ryan Suzuki. Does Ryan Suzuki have top six NHL upside? Possibly. Does he have middle six NHL upside? Yes.

Hoglander doesn't help the center issue and would be another winger to add to the gluttony of bottom six winegrs like Stefan Noesen, Jordan Martinook, Jesse Puljujarvi, possibly Jesper Fast if he re-signs. Does Hoglander have top 6 NHL upside? Possibly. Does he have middle six NHL upside? Yes.

Directly comparing them, higher ceiling? Suzuki, it's not close. Better now? That's really difficult to say, Suzuki was the only reason the Wolves got hot towards the end of the year and had a chance at the playoffs, but you're going to point at NHL points and games despite that being an awful way to justify it so let's say Hoglander. More valuable position? Suzuki.

Hopefully that explains it.

While Suzuki does play center, he's not been a very good one. What underlying numbers are you referring to? Suzuki is regularly outscored 5v5, whereas Hoglander's 5v5 is far better, with him regularly outscoring his opponents.

You clearly haven't seen Beauvillier, his defense is not the weakest part of his game, he's better than average, Besides, any team in the league would take him at 2.15M.

If the Canes' weakness is center, and Suzuki is such a high-caliber prospect doing so well in the AHL, wouldn't it make sense to call up this supposedly great ELC center? It seems that the Canes brass disagree with you, as do the numbers.

No way Suzuki has a higher ceiling than Hoglander. Hoglander can be a Top-6 winger scoring 25 goals, he's shown it at the NHL level. Suzuki hasn't shown that.

Suzuki had 8 points in the final 14 games of the season, including only 4 goals in the last 35 games. Compared to Hog, who scored 6 goals and 12 points Over his final 13 games. He scored big goals against Bakersfield to put Abby into the playoffs too. Factor back in the 5v5 stats, and that Hoglander didn't start playing the AHL until December, and it's easy to see Hoglander is the more capable forward.

Suzuki spearheaded the late season turnaround of the Wolves... what are you talking about he gets outscored? Are you genuinely trying to use +/-? Seriously?

Beauviller is weak defensively. I watched the Canes beat him regularly as an Islander, he's not good. That's why the Isles were willing to move on from him. Defensively, he struggles. Take note of how Carolina don't touch defensive liability forwards.

What? Your argument is the fact Carolina has Aho, Kotkaniemi, Staal, Stastny, Drury already on the roster is proof Suzuki isn't good.... stop. Garbage take.

Suzuki EASILY has a higher ceiling. You seem to forget that Suzuki dropped in the draft because of an injury. He's got the ability to be a 2C. 2C or 2W... I'd much rather have Suzuki than Hoglander, and trying to say you'd rather have a guy who cannot crack one of the worst rosters in the NHL is just biased, stop.

Suzuki was also doing this on one of the worst teams in the AHL until he came back from his injury. You're trying to use point totals over 13 games to justify this? You need to rethink things here buddy, honestly.

Canes probably take that.

I'm failing to see how Suzuki "spearheaded the late-season turnaround." His offense wasn't there compared to other Wolves' players; namely Ponomarev, Stromwall, and Rees down the stretch. His defense is not good. +/- isn't a great stat, but it does work in some instances. For example, Suzuki is -14, T-3rd worst on the team, and he's only had 3 power-play points, so there's no excuse that he's a PP Specialist. The average of the Chicago Wolves +/- is -2, and the median is -1. When you're more than 10 below the team average and median +/-, you're doing something very wrong.
Source: https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0026742022.html

If you have any other metric you'd like to use to compare Hoglander and Suzuki, I'm all ears.



Must have been the Isles' system, because Beavillier has been good on the Canucks.



You just said that the center position was the area of weakness for the Canes. "Where could they use the extra help? Down the middle" - You literally just said that the Hurricanes want to improve at center, which should lend itself well to Suzuki getting a spot if he's so good. But he's not, as we've pointed out.



Canucks don't have one of the worst forward groups. Their defense is horrendous, sure, but anyone who has actually watched Canuck hockey will tell you the forwards aren't the problem. Suzuki's draft was 4 years ago, you can't use an injury from four years ago as an excuse that Suzuki is going to be good someday. If it's been four years and he's still being affected by the injury, it means he's not going to be that player again, especially since he hasn't played a full season since being drafted. Suzuki hasn't shown offensive prowess in the AHL, 4 goals over the last 35 games of the season aren't exactly confidence inspiring, especially in a developmental league that one would hope to be graduating from next season. Meanwhile, he's been passed by other Cane centremen, namely Ponomarev, who has leapfrogged him in the lineup. You call me biased but you won't even accept your team's player for the bust that he's becoming.





You're literally the one who brought up the end of the season: "Suzuki was the only reason the Wolves got hot towards the end of the year and had a chance at the playoffs," So I pulled up the final games of the season, and (once more with feeling this time) he only had 8 points in 13 games. Again, Only 4 goals in the final 35. You made the claim, I proved your claim was false. That's not exactly hot by AHL standards, especially when his teammates were scoring at P/PG pace during that same stretch of time.

I don't believe the Canes mgmt are ready to give up on Suzuki yet. The clock is ticking but I think they want to give him a little more time. I would hold off on this for now.