correct me if i’m wrong but this gives the pens FOUR nhl calibre goalies??? Jarry, Murray, Ned, and DeSmith? doesn’t seem right.

Nice acquisitions I like the way the resulting team looks however, I don't think Anaheim needs a 3rd with both smith and joseph maybe just one of them

Leafs aren't going to be retaining and dumping assets on Murray

Karlsson-to-Pittsburgh trades are hard due to the lack of high-quality prosects in your farm system. You can't trade the just-selected Brayden Yager and due to his struggles last season, Poulin is no more than a B prospect at this point, so the only appealing assets you have are Joseph and Owen Pickering. It will take at least one of them plus a first and a second just to get Karlsson. Then, to have one or two teams retain 50% ($23 million!!) on him is going to cost the other A prospect plus another first, in all likelihood (or maybe two seconds and two prospects if split between San Jose and Anaheim, for example). Finally, you want to fold in heavy-cap-hit Jeff Petry or outright-cap-dump Mikael Granlund into the deal, which isn't a benefit to San Jose OR a third team, and then there's the problem of Petry's NTC.

I'm not saying that it's not going to happen; just that it's going to be very, very difficult AND complicated. For example, if I were the Anaheim GM and taking on 20% ($2.3 million x 4 = $9.2 million!!), I wouldn't take less than a second plus either Tristan Broz or Joel Blomqvist. Karlsson will probably cost you Pickering, a first and a second and then another second (or the equivalent) for another 20% retention. Say I'm being optimistic on Karlsson's value and toss Granlund and Petry into the overall mix. That's still more than you've got here.

All I can say is Good Luck.

We'll take 10% ($1.15 million) for four seasons in exchange for Joseph and the future third. Today's signing means that Smith would be about fifth on our depth chart at LhD, so we'll pass.

Ok. Some of these Karlsson trade proposals are getting ridiculous.

So the Sharks are 1) retaining HALF, 2) taking on Petry, AND 3) taking on Granlund?

Totally disagree on Poulin. He didn’t struggle in a playing sense. Just was going through mental health issues but has said that’s behind him and he came back at the end of last season and this prospect camp was by far the most nhl ready prospect. Yager, Poulin, Laatsch stole the show in their 3 v 3’s development camp.

I’m sure we will all be surprised by what the sharks get for Karlsson. The sharks don’t have much leverage. Karlsson wants traded, has a full NMC and can select which team he wants to go to, only 2 teams are going for him, any good team he’d be willing to go to has no cap space so they are going to have to retain and take at least 1 big contract back. In a perfect world teams would be able to just offer futures but that’s not gonna happen.

That may well be the view of Pens insiders, but whether they should be cautiously optimistic about his future and whether other front offices will consider his trade value significant are two entirely different things.

I stand by my opinion that Poulin's inclusion in a trade will not move the needle very far.

The Penguins moved on from Murray.

Building the farm could be the greater priority for the Penguins than acquiring Karlsson. The Penguins will need to acquire draft picks to draft well in upcoming drafts.

Yeah but Dubas loves trading first round picks like they're Pokemon doubles.

Yeah... this is more from a Leafs perspective

The Maple Leafs love trading away first round picks. The Penguins have different parameters Dubas agreed to work under.

I keep forgetting Shanahan is the Leafs GM.

Unless a team is desperate for a goaltender like Murray, the Maple Leafs are stuck with him for 2023-2024. Let Murray walk next season, sign a "prove me" deal somewhere, or play overseas.

Same loser, same story, another general manager, another day.

Agreed. It's getting beyond ridiculous.

Sure they do. They don't have to trade him. He still has four years on his contract.


An exaggeration of what's been reported. As is the case with John Gibson, EK has said he might consider waiving his NMC for the right team.


Pure speculation. Remember the "DuBois only wants to play for the Canadiens"?


I can think of at least three teams who are just as likely to be interested in him as Pittsburgh which was, after all, NOT a playoff contender this past season, all of which could fit him onto their roster with little or no adjustment for cap space, plus playoff participants Carolina, Seattle and Winnipeg.

Absolutely agree in principle -- change "could" to "should."

It's prob going to be a "Murray had this mysterious injury and he needs to go on LTIR" TBH

Oh Christ not this "leverage" crap again. Sing a different tune for once.

Let's use popular terms like "gaslighting" and "weaponizing cap space" while we're at it.

No they don’t. He doesn’t want to play for a rebuilder. He said if he was in his mid 20’s then he’d be ok with it but he’s literally said in an interview that he wants to go to a team that can be a playoff contender. So not an exaggeration at all. Video interviews of him saying it don’t lie.
All the major insiders like Friedman, Seravelli, Lebrun all say that the Pens and Canes are really the only two that are seriously in on him. That’s not exactly speculation. Sounds pretty reliable.
The pens absolutely a playoff contender last year. Just because they didn’t make it (which they missed by what? 1 pt?) doesn’t make them not a playoff contender. As for the teams, Carolina has like 2 million in cap space, so they absolutely have to dump a big contract. Seattle only has 9 million in cap space and only 21 contracts so they definitely have to dump a decent size contract. Winnipeg has 8.5 million in cap space and only 19 contracts so they definitely need a good bit of retention and to dump a bad contract too. And Seattle dropped out of the EK65 sweepstakes. The reason why only Carolina and Pittsburgh are still interested is because other teams believe the Sharks asking price is way too high. So they will come down to trade him.

Pittsburgh wasn't a playoff contender.


Your faith in these click-bait-purveyors is touching. Did you miss the part of my comment reminding you about Pierre-Luc DuBois? Do you still believe that someone offered a high first-round draft pick for Josh "yes we're joshing" Anderson?

That could be possible.