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NYI Change for the Sake of Change

Created by: ms39
Team: 2023-24 New York Islanders
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 15, 2023
Published: Jul. 15, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
I just want the team to keep JPG and Wahlly but an exercise on shaking things up for the sake of change.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$830,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$775,000
2$1,350,000
Trades
1.
NYI
  1. Anderson, Josh ($2,750,000 retained)
MTL
  1. Johnston, Ross
  2. Wahlstrom, Oliver [RFA Rights]
  3. 2024 1st round pick (NYI)
  4. 2024 4th round pick (NYI)
2.
NYI
  1. 2025 3rd round pick (OTT)
  2. 2025 5th round pick (OTT)
OTT
  1. Pageau, Jean-Gabriel ($1,000,000 retained)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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Logo of the NYI
Logo of the NYI
Logo of the NYI
2025
Logo of the NYI
Logo of the NYI
Logo of the NYI
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the NYI
Logo of the NYI
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the NYI
Logo of the NYI
2026
Logo of the NYI
Logo of the NYI
Logo of the NYI
Logo of the NYI
Logo of the NYI
Logo of the NYI
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$82,200,833$0$0$1,299,167
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the New York Islanders
$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the New York Islanders
$8,500,000$8,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 8
Logo of the New York Islanders
$9,150,000$9,150,000
C, RW
UFA - 8
Logo of the New York Islanders
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 7
Logo of the New York Islanders
$6,000,000$6,000,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the New York Islanders
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the New York Islanders
$863,333$863,333
RW
RFA - 1
$1,350,000$1,350,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$2,750,000$2,750,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the New York Islanders
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$2,500,000$2,500,000
C
UFA - 4
Logo of the New York Islanders
$1,750,000$1,750,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the New York Islanders
$5,750,000$5,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 6
Logo of the New York Islanders
$4,000,000$4,000,000
RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the New York Islanders
$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$2,500,000$2,500,000
LD
RFA - 2
Logo of the New York Islanders
$6,150,000$6,150,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 7
Logo of the New York Islanders
$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the New York Islanders
$825,000$825,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 7
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the New York Islanders
$800,000$800,000
LD
RFA - 2
Logo of the New York Islanders
$787,500$787,500
RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the New York Islanders
$775,000$775,000
RW
UFA - 2

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Jul. 15, 2023 at 11:01 p.m.
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Habs accept
Jul. 15, 2023 at 11:14 p.m.
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Quoting: HabsCanucks
Habs accept


LoL, He has Habs fans Salivating right now,

EDIT: I just noticed the 4 years of 50% retention, May be a bit much to ask
Jul. 16, 2023 at 12:00 a.m.
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You obviously are not an Isles fan....LOL

Isles don't make either of these deals, not a chance. ..
Jul. 16, 2023 at 12:27 a.m.
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Quoting: Nightowl26
You obviously are not an Isles fan....LOL

Isles don't make either of these deals, not a chance. ..


Anderson trade isn’t terrible. Wahlstrom hasn’t really shown much of anything yet
Jul. 16, 2023 at 12:33 a.m.
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Quoting: Nightowl26
You obviously are not an Isles fan....LOL

Isles don't make either of these deals, not a chance. ..



I’m a huge Islanders fan. Reiterating the Description: “ I just want the team to keep JPG and Wahlly but an exercise on shaking things up for the sake of change.”

Just thinking of how things could change given the reports about Pageau and Wahlstrom having been offered for DeBrincat.

Ideal for me is a third line of Holmstrom-Pageau-Wahlstrom, but who knows by opening night who’s on the team.
Jul. 16, 2023 at 12:41 a.m.
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Quoting: ms39
I’m a huge Islanders fan. Reiterating the Description: “ I just want the team to keep JPG and Wahlly but an exercise on shaking things up for the sake of change.”

Just thinking of how things could change given the reports about Pageau and Wahlstrom having been offered for DeBrincat.

Ideal for me is a third line of Holmstrom-Pageau-Wahlstrom, but who knows by opening night who’s on the team.


JPG has more value then what you are getting back.

Are you kidding me with the Anderson deal? Wally, a 1st and a 4th....forget Johnston.....Montreal can't give him (Anderson) away. He's not worth a 3rd along. Talk about a player with a contract not worth it...Anderson is the poster boy for that. NO THANK YOU.

I understand trying to shake things up. But Anderson is not it! and if I'm moving JPG, it's to package him for something worth while.
Jul. 16, 2023 at 12:42 a.m.
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Anderson trade isn’t terrible. Wahlstrom hasn’t really shown much of anything yet


It's a horrible deal......Montreal can't move Anderson and that contract for ten cents on the dollar....
Jul. 16, 2023 at 1:15 a.m.
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Quoting: HabsCanucks
Habs accept


No they don't
Jul. 16, 2023 at 1:19 a.m.
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No they don't


yes they do. They shouldnt need the 2.7m for the 4 years and the pieces coming back are worth it
Jul. 16, 2023 at 2:09 a.m.
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Quoting: JeffGorton
yes they do. They shouldnt need the 2.7m for the 4 years and the pieces coming back are worth it


Non of the pieces coming back are better than josh anderson
Jul. 16, 2023 at 9:45 a.m.
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Glad to see the Islanders/Habs split on this because as fans it is natural for us to overrate our own players! You're never going to get both sides in full agreement on these things. Anderson is the better player right now (if healthy), and Wahlstrom could be better, but, if he lives up to his potential, that would come at a higher cap hit than $2.75M over the next 4 seasons. Best case scenario from Wahlstrom's perspective is taking something in the 2x$1-1.5M range for a bridge deal then the sky's the limit. Does he have a DeBrincat-like breakout? He could get pricey, and that's fine, but this trade is not just "Josh Anderson for Oliver Wahlstrom." It's trading uncertainty (Wahlstrom) for a middle-six lock (Anderson) at a reasonable cap hit. And that costs something from an Islanders perspective. From a Habs perspective, Wahlstrom better fits the rebuild timeline.

I'll also just say again, I wouldn't like this trade as an Islanders fan but I'd be intrigued by it.
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Jul. 16, 2023 at 10:55 a.m.
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Quoting: JeffGorton
yes they do. They shouldnt need the 2.7m for the 4 years and the pieces coming back are worth it


We need 2,7m for what. We have space to sign our rfa and no ufa want to come to Montreal. Better keep those who want to be in Montreal
Jul. 17, 2023 at 9:09 a.m.
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We need 2,7m for what. We have space to sign our rfa and no ufa want to come to Montreal. Better keep those who want to be in Montreal


Dach and Guhle are the only ones who need to be paid in the next 4 years. Allen, Hoffman, Armia, Dvorak and Savard money can cover those 2 easily
Jul. 17, 2023 at 9:35 a.m.
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The problem with Josh Anderson is his term. What you get out of him is fine at a $3-3.5M AAV, but a little less than what you want out of a $5.5M cap hit. The fact that any sort of retention would tie up one of Montreal's 3 slots for the next 4 years just pushes his price into an area where he's not going to be able to live up to the trade.

Put it this way: Last season, Josh Anderson scored at a 25-13-38/82 GP pace. Wahlstrom scored at a 16-21-37/82 GP pace before getting hurt. On the physical side, Wahlstrom had 50 hits in his 35 GP (1.4/game) while Anderson had 139 in his 69 (2.0). Do you really think an extra point of production over an entire season, plus an extra hit every other game, is worth the acquisition cost here? Most people would say no, but since you're asking the Habs to eat 4x$2.75M to make Anderson's contract closer to real market value, you have to pony up that 1st.

Appreciate thinking outside the box, but this is just a rough one for the Isles.
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