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Final move

Created by: Ledge_And_Dairy
Team: 2023-24 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 21, 2023
Published: Jul. 21, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$800,000
Trades
TBL
  1. Perbix, Jack [Reserve List]
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Tampa gets a player unlikely to sign a contract with Anaheim and the brother of one of their regulars
ANA
  1. Myers, Philippe
  2. Seabrook, Brent
Additional Details:
Anaheim gets a stop gap defenseman looking to turn his career around as well as an LTIR contract that is covered by Insurance
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$83,360,833$0$0$139,167
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 7
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 4
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
C, LW
UFA - 8
$800,000$800,000
RW, LW, C
UFA
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
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$3,150,000$3,150,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 6
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$2,665,000$2,665,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
LD
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UFA - 2
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$5,200,000$5,200,000
RD
UFA - 8
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 5
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 8
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$1,125,000$1,125,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
G
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$850,000$850,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$758,333$758,333
RW, LW
UFA - 1

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Jul. 21, 2023 at 7:51 p.m.
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You would need to add in order to get rid of bad cap dumps
Jul. 21, 2023 at 7:52 p.m.
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Yeah, unfortunately Myers is also a cap dump at this point. I don't think there's a team in the league that he could crack the top 6.
Jul. 21, 2023 at 7:55 p.m.
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Anaheim passes, we don’t want to have to pay money to a guy who won’t be playing ever again

Hard pass
Jul. 21, 2023 at 7:57 p.m.
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
You would need to add in order to get rid of bad cap dumps


1.4M is such an insignificant number for getting a 26 year old that is 6'5 player that simply isn't getting a chance in Tampa due to cap constraints. Seabrook does not have to be included but Myers does not cost assets to move
Jul. 21, 2023 at 8:00 p.m.
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Quoting: GeneralLandro
Anaheim passes, we don’t want to have to pay money to a guy who won’t be playing ever again

Hard pass


I mean he's insured so you are paying him pennies at most. He can be removed though, just helping you reach the floor
Jul. 21, 2023 at 8:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
1.4M is such an insignificant number for getting a 26 year old that is 6'5 player that simply isn't getting a chance in Tampa due to cap constraints. Seabrook does not have to be included but Myers does not cost assets to move


He doesn’t cost a lot to move ( a seventh would do it), but he doesn’t have value. And Seabrook is also negative value. I don’t know how you expect to get positive value
Jul. 21, 2023 at 8:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I mean he's insured so you are paying him pennies at most. He can be removed though, just helping you reach the floor


We are 8 million dollars away from there and still have Zegras Terry and Drysdale to resign as well as most likely adding 2 more NHL caliber defensemen

We will be much closer to the ceiling than the floor this year
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Jul. 21, 2023 at 8:05 p.m.
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He doesn’t cost a lot to move ( a seventh would do it), but he doesn’t have value. And Seabrook is also negative value. I don’t know how you expect to get positive value


He wont cost a 7th to move lol, Anders Bjork was literally traded for Future Considerations last year. Tampa has no cap issues keeping either player. It's pretty unlikely Jack Perbix is going to sign with Anaheim at this point I'm giving you an NHLer and help to the floor for what is effectively nothing
Jul. 21, 2023 at 8:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
He wont cost a 7th to move lol, Anders Bjork was literally traded for Future Considerations last year. Tampa has no cap issues keeping either player. It's pretty unlikely Jack Perbix is going to sign with Anaheim at this point I'm giving you an NHLer and help to the floor for what is effectively nothing


No cap issue? You are 139 000 below the cap. Björk was a better player than Myer, at a cheaper cap hit. And also, Anaheim doesn’t need help to reach the floor.
Jul. 21, 2023 at 8:15 p.m.
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Quoting: GeneralLandro
We are 8 million dollars away from there and still have Zegras Terry and Drysdale to resign as well as most likely adding 2 more NHL caliber defensemen

We will be much closer to the ceiling than the floor this year


I am aware those players still need to be signed. Z and Terry will get around 14M together but Drysdale won't get much. You are also just as likely to trade Gibson too. As for NHL caliber defensemen, I'm genuinely curious who you have in mind that you would take over Myers. Are Ethan Bear and Caleb Jones really better options?

If Seabrook is the issue then he can be removed no problem
Jul. 21, 2023 at 8:17 p.m.
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
No cap issue? You are 139 000 below the cap. Björk was a better player than Myer, at a cheaper cap hit. And also, Anaheim doesn’t need help to reach the floor.


I signed 1 player for 800k lol It's literally as simple as a 22 man roster.
If Bjork was better wouldnt he have an NHL contract by now? Same age and nearly the same amount of NHL games played last year. Calling one a better player is quite a reach
Jul. 21, 2023 at 8:30 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I signed 1 player for 800k lol It's literally as simple as a 22 man roster.
If Bjork was better wouldnt he have an NHL contract by now? Same age and nearly the same amount of NHL games played last year. Calling one a better player is quite a reach

1,4m - 800k doesn’t make less than 139k. And you would have to have another forward. If Myer was a FA, I can guarantee you that he wouldn’t be sign. Also, that doesn’t answer why you think 2 negative value player (or 1 neutral and one negative) equal a positive asset
Jul. 21, 2023 at 8:35 p.m.
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
1,4m - 800k doesn’t make less than 139k. And you would have to have another forward. If Myer was a FA, I can guarantee you that he wouldn’t be sign. Also, that doesn’t answer why you think 2 negative value player (or 1 neutral and one negative) equal a positive asset


Huh they would literally just bury him again
Jul. 21, 2023 at 8:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Huh they would literally just bury him again


That still doesn’t answer the question of why you think 2 negative value players can get you a player with value
Jul. 21, 2023 at 9:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I am aware those players still need to be signed. Z and Terry will get around 14M together but Drysdale won't get much. You are also just as likely to trade Gibson too. As for NHL caliber defensemen, I'm genuinely curious who you have in mind that you would take over Myers. Are Ethan Bear and Caleb Jones really better options?

If Seabrook is the issue then he can be removed no problem


55.3 million plus 8 for Z plus 7 for Terry (not exact, but together they'll be around ~15-16) plus 2.5 for Drysdale puts us at~73 million, let's pretend we do move Gibson, less 6.4 leaves us at 66.5, less Henrique with retention takes us to 63.8. No ones taking Silfverberg even at 50% retention.

All this, and we still have to account for the cap hit of whatever other two defensemen we put on the roster, and the cap hit for whatever goalie we would have to take the other way in a Gibson trade.

We really don't need any assistance getting to the floor. That's not to say Verbeek would have zero interest in Myers, he could, but it's doubtful, and we don't need any LTIR money to help us out, that would be exclusively helping Tampa.
Jul. 21, 2023 at 9:10 p.m.
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Jul. 21, 2023 at 10:55 p.m.
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
let's pretend we do move Gibson, less 6.4 leaves


A Gibson trade that has zero salary coming back and/or no salary retention doesn't exist. No team that wants a goalie has 6.4M in cap just sitting there. Then you factor in the Ducks need a starting goal tender and aren't going to be able to pay that guy less than 3-5M.

I would bet good money that any trade of Gibson is a net cap gain for the Ducks instead of the opposite when all the pieces fall into place.
Jul. 21, 2023 at 10:58 p.m.
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I know this sounds crazy... But if I were Brisebois, I would be selling all of the core minus Stamkos (for fan service). The Lightning aren't good enough to win the cup and don't have the assets to do it. It would be perfect bc of how strong the Atlantic is this year which would cause a lower ranking and thus enforce the idea of a tank.

Think of how quickly the Litghning;s farm club could do with returns from Vasy, Hedman, Point, Cerrelli, Sergachev (Prob need retention but if you are looking to stack pile a bunch of assets, retention money isn't a factor anymore), Cernak and Kucherov
Jul. 21, 2023 at 11:40 p.m.
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A Gibson trade that has zero salary coming back and/or no salary retention doesn't exist. No team that wants a goalie has 6.4M in cap just sitting there. Then you factor in the Ducks need a starting goal tender and aren't going to be able to pay that guy less than 3-5M.

I would bet good money that any trade of Gibson is a net cap gain for the Ducks instead of the opposite when all the pieces fall into place.


You've rather missed the point I was making. Even in a world where a Gibson trade with no retention and no cap coming back exists, we still don't need anyone's "help" to stay over the cap floor.
Jul. 22, 2023 at 2:09 a.m.
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
You've rather missed the point I was making. Even in a world where a Gibson trade with no retention and no cap coming back exists, we still don't need anyone's "help" to stay over the cap floor.


My comment was quoting you, but more so directed at the OP. I caught your point just fine and was adding to that by stating the obvious that trading Gibson doesn't mean reducing the cap by 6.4M. You and I shouldn't need to state the obvious but in spite of that we still see at least one ridiculous "help Anaheim reach the floor" post every day.
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