Rather have Bussi

Really Bordeleau would be your 3C next year and has top 6 upside, but with Swayman I don’t ever see Bussi as more than a backup/ buried in the AHL. He is a rhythm goaltender (like Georgiev in COL) and if he’s not starting he probably ends up looking below average, and the trade makes sense especially with Dipietro right behind him who looks more like the serviceable backup.

No chance Pitt trades Yager, I think Granlund + 1st + 2nd and maybe a random medicore prospect for Karlsson at $3.5 is more likely. I also don't see the Sharks trading Bordeleau, especially if they don't have Yager on their depth chart. I think it's reasonably likely Bordeleau develops into a winger at the NHL level, as well.

Bordeleau looked lost on the wing and is clearly better as a C. If we could get Yager I would move the 1st back to a 2nd. A and maybe add a little to sweeten the pot. You guys don’t have anyone really worth considering over Yager, maybe Blomqvist but his value if FAR less than Yager and I would ask for Blomqvist 1st 2nd and Granlund for Karlsson 3.5 mil.

According to Seravelli, the offers are all maxed out at a 1st value (meaning pick or 1st rounder prospect), B level prospect, and an offsetting salary player for Karlsson with retention. That's not unique to PIT but rather the consistently best offers Grier is getting.

Gotta imagine the Bruins accept. The guy that said he'd rather have Bussi sees every Bruin as holier-than-thou and sees no justification for ever trading a Bruin. Ever.

I'd have to agree here. It's more likely that it's Blomqvist or more draft picks spread out over years.

Won’t be Yager. Probably gonna be one of Pickering, Poulin, POJ, or Smith.

Yea hope is more but think I have to settle on
Karlsson 3.5 retained
For
Blomqvist
Granlund
24 or 25 1st.
25 or 24 2nd.
I think that’s a slap in the face for a 3 time Norris winner and the first D in 30 years to score 100 points but I would rather move on than dwell.

Thanks! I thought that helped both teams now and going forward. But if Blomqvist is the best prospect coming from the Karlsson trade and no Yager then this trade dies in the water.

Grier put himself in an awful position honestly waiting so long. Longer he waits the less he’s gonna get. Wish we knew what almost went down on July 1st, but who knows. He probably needs to bite the bullet.

It’s a gamble but you don’t wait till teams are set and maxed out their cap like he did. Wonder if he doesn’t really want to move him.

Thanks. Where can I find this Seravelli analysis?

His podcast. He talked about Karlsson for a long time this week.

If the offers are something like a 2024 1st, Poulin, and Granlund for Karlsson at $8.5m then I understand why Grier might want to gamble with trying again later. Maybe another good season for Karlsson and he gets a better return. Though I'm also not sure what ownership or Karlsson ACTUALLY want. As they might be more demanding than what we know.

Assuming Swayman is the future, Bussi will be the back-up when Boston either trades Ullmark or he leaves in FA in a few years. Boston historically has been a team that likes to give close to even starts to each of their goalies, so its Bussi would see enough action and not play a traditional back-up role. zBoston also has a few guys like Harrison & Poitras that have that same 3C with Top 6 upside that Bordeleau has. Bruins also have Georgii Merkulov whose a C/LW and had a better year of production than Bordeleau did. As for Dipietro, he played the year in the ECHL, while Bussi was playing in the AHL. That should tell you what you need to know about how Boston values him in their pool of goalie prospects.

That's crazy. If this is offered you gotta take it and run. Bordeleau is a quality prospect in a position of need and goalie development is famously hard to predict

Bruins have seemed to do pretty well at it

Got it. Waiting another season is too risky for the Sharks. Karlsson could get injured or have a mediocre season. His value will never be as high as it is now. As a Sharks fan I'm starting to lower my expectations. I'd take the trade you proposed above. Get a 1st and some cap relief. Sharks won't really need the cap relief until 2025-26, and that's when Granlund's contract expires. Sounds like Karlsson actually wants to go to Pittsburgh. Sharks ownership should agree to retain 25٪ -30٪. Let's get this done and over with.

We’re not going to agree on this one, I think you’re overvaluing your prospects and undervaluing Bordeleau. Truth is if Boston doesn’t take this deal there would be others who would.

I’m with you just get it over with.

I 100% agree with you, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

It's definitely a risk. Again, we don't know what SJ ownership wants or if Karlsson is being truthful. Ownership might be telling Grier no retention above X% and teams aren't able to afford it without Grier being more flexible on the return. Or Karlsson might be keeping polite in public and really have told Grier he 100% wants out. I actually do believe that if Karlsson had another good season- 70+ games at about a point/game pace it would improve his trade value and remove risk that last year was an anomaly. Cap going up next year and one less year on the contract helps too. I know Karlsson is good with Crosby and Letang. Not sure on Malkin, but PIT makes the most sense from all angles IMO. Carolina never did and if I were Grier, I wouldn't want to deal with them after the Burns trade.

Funny I was thinking you were undervaluing the Bruins prospects simply because everyone talks about how weak their prospect pool is.

-Poitras put up 95pts last year in the OHL which was good for 5th overall. He was also 3A shy of matching the franchises single season assist record.
-Harrison was top 25 among forwards in PPG in the OHL and was 22nd in goals scored among all OHL players
-Merkulov in his first AHL season led his team in goals and points. He finished 2nd among AHL rookies in scoring and was top 35 in AHL scoring among all forwards

But I didn’t comment on a single Boston prospect other than Bussi, and my offering a C as valuable as Bordeleau for him when goalies notoriously are undervalued in hockey because of their instability was respectful. And Hockey ranked Boston as one of the weakest prospect pools.

I felt this was giving value from our position of strength for one of your strengths. I wasn’t intending to be diminutive or rude.

I said Bruins had prospects like Bordeleau who had top 6 upside and listed them. In your reply to that post you proceeded to say I was overvaluing Boston prospects. That could easily be taken as you don't feel those players I listed had the upside of a Top 6 player.

As for ranking, I honestly couldn't care less where "experts" rank teams prospect pools. Most places don't even see most of the kids plays and base prospect value on where the player was drafted, how much hype they have and what their stat line is for the year. The Bruins prospect pool has been weak for years according to experts, yet they keep bringing kids up that can play in the NHL.

I also never said it wasn't fair value. For me Bordeleau isn't head a shoulders above any of the other center prospects Boston has right now and I'm a firm believer that you can never have enough goaltending. Someone will go down this year and Bussi will need to step in for some games. He also will likely be the #2 for Swayman in the next year or two. I've always been perplexed at how undervalued goalies are, yet when you look at the teams out of the playoffs, it's usually because they lack good goaltending. If you look at teams who squeeze into the playoffs it's because the goaltending got hot and carried the team.