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2 years from now hopeful

Created by: jwg314
Team: 2025-26 St. Louis Blues
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 1, 2023
Published: Aug. 2, 2023
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In the discussion of who they think could be bottom-5 teams in the next 3-5 years, I've seen more than a couple people say they think Blues could be among that group. Though I think we're in for a rough 2-3 years, I don't think we'll ever bottom out hard enough for that to happen imo. Hopefully we get some decent futures dumping the guys I listed and maybe some top 10 picks as well.

Some notes:
- We want to move on from Krug and Leddy as soon as we can
- Hopefully Hofer can come in and take the starting job or at least 1A at some point
- I feel Dvorsky and Snuggerud are safe staples in the top-6 in the next 2-3 years. Bolduc I'm also hopeful for but he's a prove it for now. Neighbours I hope can step into that, but I think he should at least be a solid 3rd line winger. Dean I would like to be 3C at this point, but I hope Schenn can also remain productive enough to stay off the 4th line for now.
- I'm staying optimistic on Perunovich at least being able to take a somewhat sheltered PP specialist role, but I realize not everyone feels the same way.
- Ideally we can get a top pairing LD pickup a notch better than Pettersson but I decided to keep it mild so as not to anger anyone.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
2$950,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$3,500,000
1$1,000,000
3$2,000,000
1$2,500,000
1$1,250,000
3$2,750,000
2$1,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,750,000
8$8,500,000
6$5,500,000
3$2,000,000
Trades
1.
STL
    picks/prospects. hopefully we can get him scoring at a 30G rate this year which should net us a 1st at 50% retained.
    EDM
      TDL '24
      Vrana (50%)

      Any team that wants him
      2.
      STL
        picks/prospects. hopefully we get a good enough year out of him to maybe get a 2nd+.
        TBL
          TDL '24
          Kapanen (50%)

          Any team
          3.
          STL
            Picks/prospect. I'd be happy with even just a 3rd for him at 50% retained. Should be useful playoff depth for any team.
            PIT
              TDL '24
              Scandella (50%)

              Any team
              4.
              STL
                Picks/prospect. Not expecting a big return, but would be nice to find a new home for him.
                PIT
                1. Krug, Torey
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                Summer '24
                Krug (probably a little retention)

                Hoping we can get Krug a decent healthy bounceback in a full year so we can find a suitor for him next summer. I think he can still be an effective sheltered PP specialist.
                5.
                STL
                  Pick/prospect. Not much of a return here either. Should be movable at 50% retained though.
                  PIT
                  1. Leddy, Nick ($2,000,000 retained)
                  Additional Details:
                  TDL '25
                  6.
                  STL
                    Pick/Prospect
                    CBJ
                    1. Hayes, Kevin ($1,750,000 retained)
                    Additional Details:
                    Summer '25
                    Retained Salary Transactions
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                    2024
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                    2025
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                    2026
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                    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
                    23$91,000,000$87,733,333$0$1,482,500$3,266,667

                    Roster

                    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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                    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
                    LW
                    RFA - 1
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                    $8,125,000$8,125,000
                    C, RW
                    NTC
                    UFA - 6
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                    $8,125,000$8,125,000
                    RW
                    NTC
                    UFA - 6
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                    $8,500,000$8,500,000
                    LW, RW, C
                    UFA
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                    $950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$1,000,000$1M)
                    C
                    RFA - 1
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                    $950,000$950,000
                    RW, C
                    RFA
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                    $2,750,000$2,750,000
                    LW, RW
                    RFA
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                    $6,500,000$6,500,000
                    C, LW
                    M-NTC
                    UFA - 3
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                    $2,750,000$2,750,000
                    LW, RW
                    UFA
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                    $4,500,000$4,500,000
                    LW, RW
                    M-NTC
                    UFA - 1
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                    $852,500$852,500
                    C
                    RFA - 1
                    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
                    $2,000,000$2,000,000
                    LW, RW
                    RFA
                    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
                    $5,500,000$5,500,000
                    LD
                    UFA
                    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
                    $6,500,000$6,500,000
                    RD
                    NTC
                    UFA - 5
                    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
                    $3,500,000$3,500,000
                    G
                    RFA
                    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
                    $1,500,000$1,500,000
                    LD/RD
                    RFA
                    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
                    $6,500,000$6,500,000
                    RD
                    M-NTC
                    UFA - 2
                    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
                    $6,000,000$6,000,000
                    G
                    M-NTC
                    UFA - 2
                    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
                    $2,500,000$2,500,000
                    LD
                    RFA
                    $2,000,000$2,000,000
                    RD
                    UFA
                    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
                    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
                    $1,000,000$1,000,000
                    RD
                    RFA - 1
                    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
                    $867,500$867,500 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
                    LD
                    RFA - 1
                    Logo of the St. Louis Blues
                    $1,250,000$1,250,000
                    C
                    RFA

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                    Aug. 2, 2023 at 1:34 a.m.
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                    Good job. If we are moving Krug in 2024, we can try and get Skjei. I think he’ll walk from Carolina and be a decent free agent target. I’d rather not spend $5.5M AAV on Pettersson. I think you’re right about Dvorsky and Snuggerud. I’d like to start rounding out our defensive pool. I think our goal for this retool should be structured around the Thomas and Kyrou deal. Years 1-3: Finish probably out of the playoffs somewhere in the 8-12 range. Years 4-5: Just missing or making wild card. Years 6-8: Hopefully can be in a 3 year competitive window. By the end of that, Buchnevich is 36 (probably retired), Kyrou is 33, Thomas is 31/32, Neighbours is 29, Bolduc and Dean are 28, and Dvorsky is 27. I’d like to make a splash and grab Keller to bring him home during that cup window in 2028-29, Keller would be 32/33 probably with some term left too. Very well can continue the cup window past Thomas and Kyrou, especially if we are gaining Top 10 talent in the next 3 drafts. Gotta be patient, but the future can be bright.
                    Aug. 2, 2023 at 1:44 a.m.
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                    Quoting: tstrauss16
                    Good job. If we are moving Krug in 2024, we can try and get Skjei. I think he’ll walk from Carolina and be a decent free agent target. I’d rather not spend $5.5M AAV on Pettersson. I think you’re right about Dvorsky and Snuggerud. I’d like to start rounding out our defensive pool. I think our goal for this retool should be structured around the Thomas and Kyrou deal. Years 1-3: Finish probably out of the playoffs somewhere in the 8-12 range. Years 4-5: Just missing or making wild card. Years 6-8: Hopefully can be in a 3 year competitive window. By the end of that, Buchnevich is 36 (probably retired), Kyrou is 33, Thomas is 31/32, Neighbours is 29, Bolduc and Dean are 28, and Dvorsky is 27. I’d like to make a splash and grab Keller to bring him home during that cup window in 2028-29, Keller would be 32/33 probably with some term left too. Very well can continue the cup window past Thomas and Kyrou, especially if we are gaining Top 10 talent in the next 3 drafts. Gotta be patient, but the future can be bright.


                    It would be nice to get our top pairing LD next summer, but I'm not sure how enticing our trajectory will look to top FA targets at the time, that's why I went with a '25 addition. I was looking at guys like Chychrun/Theodore/Slavin etc but I just don't think that's realistic.
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                    Aug. 2, 2023 at 1:46 a.m.
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                    It would be nice to get our top pairing LD next summer, but I'm not sure how enticing our trajectory will look to top FA targets at the time, that's why I went with a '25 addition. I was looking at guys like Chychrun/Theodore/Slavin etc but I just don't think that's realistic.


                    I think Chychrun of that group would be the most likely. Really depends what happens in Ottawa. Even so, our prospect pool is currently ranked like 15-18 so it’ll only get better as we retool for the next 2-3 years. Really hoping for a late 1st round pick from Vrana. Maybe even move Parayko for a 1st round pick next summer.
                    Aug. 2, 2023 at 1:54 a.m.
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                    LMAO, those Pettersson and Buchnevich contracts
                    Aug. 2, 2023 at 2:02 a.m.
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                    I think Chychrun of that group would be the most likely. Really depends what happens in Ottawa. Even so, our prospect pool is currently ranked like 15-18 so it’ll only get better as we retool for the next 2-3 years. Really hoping for a late 1st round pick from Vrana. Maybe even move Parayko for a 1st round pick next summer.


                    I’d love to just part ways with Parayko for a 1st, but I think that moving on from him pushes us further into a real rebuild rather than a short-term retool. We can’t really do anything without a Parayko replacement in place.

                    Quoting: Knuckl3s
                    LMAO, those Pettersson and Buchnevich contracts


                    Either you don’t pay attention to hockey at all, or you don’t realize this is two years from now with the cap going up ~$8M.
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                    Aug. 2, 2023 at 2:04 a.m.
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                    I’d love to just part ways with Parayko for a 1st, but I think that moving on from him pushes us further into a real rebuild rather than a short-term retool. We can’t really do anything without a Parayko replacement in place.



                    Either you don’t pay attention to hockey at all, or you don’t realize this is two years from now with the cap going up ~$8M.


                    Pettersson just isn't that good, and Buchnevich shouldn't get that much term on his next deal. Common sense really
                    Aug. 2, 2023 at 2:12 a.m.
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                    Quoting: Knuckl3s
                    Pettersson just isn't that good, and Buchnevich shouldn't get that much term on his next deal. Common sense really


                    It's not abnormal for a guy that needs to be persuaded to stay with the team to take a contract to age 38. He's definitely earned that money at this point, not to mention what he may get done the next couple years. Pettersson is very reliable and this is about what he should ask for from a non-playoff team two years from now with the cap going up. Like I noted though, he's not my #1 and maybe not even top-5 pick, but I'm just trying to be realistic with options. If I just go and sign Chychrun or Theodore, I'm gonna get angry responses saying "nah they're not going anywhere".
                    Aug. 2, 2023 at 2:18 a.m.
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                    It's not abnormal for a guy that needs to be persuaded to stay with the team to take a contract to age 38. He's definitely earned that money at this point, not to mention what he may get done the next couple years. Pettersson is very reliable and this is about what he should ask for from a non-playoff team two years from now with the cap going up. Like I noted though, he's not my #1 and maybe not even top-5 pick, but I'm just trying to be realistic with options. If I just go and sign Chychrun or Theodore, I'm gonna get angry responses saying "nah they're not going anywhere".


                    Sure, but paying extra just to entice players to tolerate a not so ideal outlook in the meantime doesn't sound like a good premise to attempt to make an encouraging projection over
                    Aug. 2, 2023 at 2:24 a.m.
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                    Sure, but paying extra just to entice players to tolerate a not so ideal outlook in the meantime doesn't sound like a good premise to attempt to make an encouraging projection over


                    Well Buchnevich is definitely worth it but like I said, Pettersson is a consolation pick. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a deal like this with a team when his contract expires, unless he suddenly falls off.
                    Aug. 2, 2023 at 3:52 a.m.
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                    only way I'd see penguins taking a Dman at the TDL this season would be if they had a big injury.
                    Aug. 4, 2023 at 12:27 p.m.
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                    This whole thing is a mess and feels like a fools errand of making moves for the sake of making moves.
                    Their going to retain half of Leddy's $2M in 25-26 just to give that to a 30 year old Ceci on a 3 year deal?
                    Plus their retaining $1.75 of the Hayes deal in 25-26? So 3 in seasons, when they should be ready to be a real contender, they have $3.75 in dead money to move out 2 players who they don't have to move and get back maybe 2 3rd's at best? That $3.75M will cost them 1 to 3 roster players.
                    Then this season trade Vrana, hoping he hits 30 goals, at 27 years of age, when his age actually fits the timeline?
                    Then sign 27 year old Pettersson to a 6 year contract?
                    Then retain salary to dump Krug for the next 4 SEASONS? So take a modest number, 20% retained, $1.3M retained, add that to the above.
                    So in the 25-26 season the Blues will have $5.05M in dead money. In total they get, guessing, at best, a 2nd and a couple 3rd's UNLESS Vrana and/or Kappy have big years but if they have big years and develop then they traded away good players on expiring deals for picks or prospects that won't fit the timeline of other core players. Trading them on expiring deals at the TD won't yield too much likely either since both had rough years in the past, which led them to being a waiver pickup and cap dump to end up on the Blues.

                    Just ride it out. Scandella is gone after this season. As opposed to keeping so much salary their better off trying to trade Leddy and Hayes at the TD for future considerations, nothing.
                    24-25 could be a turn around year. Resign Vrana around what he makes, Kapy a small raise, resign Blais, Rosen, Perunovich, and Alexandrov who should all be around what they make now. Dvorsky, Snuggerud, or another young guy comes up to fill a slot they have a roster of 20 familiar players with over $9.7M in cap space if the cap goes up $4M. If Vrana and Kapy don't play well don't resign them and they'll have $18.2M in cap space with 18 on roster. If more than 1 ELC guy come up that bumps someone at equal or more and adds to the cap. Vrana keeps last seasons pace, scores over 40, he makes more, Kapy can go to pay Vrana, Blues keep a 40 goal scorer to go with the core of Kyrou, Thomas, Buchnevich, and still have around $10M in cap space with a roster of 19. Hayes plays well $6M in space with 20.

                    If they ride out 1 more year, don't retain salary to dump players for this season, try to strike when they can to dump Leddy, Hayes, and/or Krug for nothing, and basically keep the same roster they will have a decent 1st round pick again, rid themselves of 3 or 4 players, and be able to reload in trade, signings, or callups. Lots of players on 1 year deals now waiting for next season plus next season's FA market to pick through too.
                     
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