"New Jersey is running a left side of Hughes and Bahl. Hanifin could be a rental upgrade if that left side isn't performing up to standards"

Did Jonas Siegenthaler get deleted from existence just now? He's their 1st pair LHD playing alongside Hamilton.
All that to say, Devils shouldn't have any need whatsoever to enter the rental game and especially not for LHD.

Siegenthaler is the 1LD. Hughes and Bahl are the 2/3 LD. Hughes has incredible upside but is still a rookie and Bahl has never played above the 3LD role. There's always a chance they could need a bit of help on the left side come TDL. Could bolster the back end for a run.

I don't think trading a potential 20-30 pick is too big of a deal considering how good of a player Hanifin is, and it's not a terrible idea. Devils are juiced with good prospects and they could make some interesting moves if they need to.

I wouldn't rule it out. Bound to be some growing pains with Bahl and Hughes. And can never have too much defense.

Yeah, this was my point. I'm big on both Hughes and Bahl but there could always be issues playing them in big roles. not a terrible idea.

Seigenthaler -- Hamilton
Hughes -- Marino
Hanifin -- Miller

or

Seigenthaler -- Hamilton
Hanifin -- Marino
Bahl -- Hughes

Legit playoff blueline.

Would have to put a condition on the pick as it may get sent to San Jose as part of Timo Meier trade (would flip to 2025 1st).

Always a chance of injuries too. Or guys just having weak stretches that need breaks.

Siegenthaler - Hamilton
Hanifin - Marino
Hughes - Miller
Bahl

If we are going to go off "chance of injuries" then anything can happen, but Fitz has said he wouldn't spend 1sts on rentals. He looks to build for the future.

Tough spot for CAL - does the GM think have what it takes for deep run? or are they bubble team, maybe get in and lose in first round? At TDL how many contenders have he cap and 1st rounds to offer? can they get those guys to sign/trade deals - get way better return?

Like NHLfan stated, there is the potential for growing pains from Hughes and Bahl, especially playing in big roles.

Could put a condition on that first. If Fitz doesn't want to spend that first, that's on him. But a solid d core wins championships and that left side is looking a bit iffy at the moment. At least for now.

This team is a fever dream. I have no idea how to answer any of those questions. If we're producing lacklustre results at the TDL I'm hoping we can get decent returns for some of these players.

Backlund MIGHT fetch a first but that's the upper value for him. I would say 1st round pick, Calgary would also need to send off a 3rd. Otherwise 2nd + 3rd for Backlund.
Lindholm value is right for a UFA.
Hanfin I expect to get a touch more than a 1st. 1st + B prospect or 1st + 3rd.

Hanifin to NJD seems like a good fit in my mind. That blueline would be insane with him there. NJD is a legit cup contender already, this makes them even scarier.

You may also be able to get a 1st for Tanev at 50% retention. If they are selling, they should sell him and Zadorov as well.

I think the term he used was, he wasn't going to make 'big splashes' for rentals. The return to Calgary could always be a prospect, or combination of pick and prospect. Hanifin fits our scheme about as well as anyone that could be on market at deadline.

And, its worth noting that there is a long connection with Hanifin and Fitzgerald family. He played with Casey Fitzgerald at US NTDP and with Ryan Fitzgerald at BC.



Hanifin may get bigger package...especially if salary is retained. But most recent defensemen who have obtained more than 1st round pick had term (Karlsson, Provorov, Chychrun, Hronek, Ekholm, Sandin, Lundkvist, Romanov) or had other pieces attached (Gavrikov, Orlov, Lindholm). Haven't even been many rental dman getting 1st alone. The exceptions post-COVID were Chiarot (overpay), Risto (off-season), Savard (overpay).

I don’t think Edmonton is gonna be trading 1st unless it’s an upgrade on D but also this trade wouldn’t work unless the flames are taking some money back cause edmonton has zero cap

Lindholm may be the best comparable of the bunch. He fetched 1st + 2 x 2nds and a prospect. (other pieces in the deal were none factors going both ways). I think Hanifin would fetch a little less than Lindholm. Lindholm also signed an extension the very next day. So I assume Boston paid more knowing that they had a handshake dead in place. Hanifin is easily worth more than Chiarot and Savard.

backlund is going to be 35 at TDL - limiting options to win now teams, hanafin should get great return, lindholm should get nice return. but then is CAL going full rebuild? still got huber 30yo for years and kadri 34yo for years or retool but now got lots of 1st = 18yo not going to be productive for years

i would not want to be CAL GM

Lindholm deal also had 4.2m in cap space for 2021-22 and $1.6m in 2022-23 (via retention and Moore's salary dump). So the two 2nd's probably covered that end (comp=Nemeth). It was also with 2022 draft pick at the 2022 deadline....so Bruins knew it would be in 20+ range. The Devils could be dealing 2025 pick (due to Meier trade conditions)...more than a year out, so no idea where it ends up. There would likely be additional conditions on that pick (since so far out) if Hanaifin had two years term, but since he is a rental, would be limit the protections we can add.

Maybe something like...
-- Conditional 1st pick (2024 1st unless it goes to San Jose...would become 2025 playoff protected)
-- Conditional 3rd/4th (depending on playoffs, Hanifin's GP)

Or...Kevin Bahl plus a pick (if we think we would extend Hanifin)

Devils decline, and instead spend that pick on a goalie or not at all

If they could get Backlund double-retained and packaged with another inexpensive piece, I could see Ryan O'Reilly 2023 trade as possible comp.

But even without retention...could pull down 2nd+3rd...at least

Vanecek + Schmid behind a D core with Hanifin > A possible goalie upgrade with the same D core they have now

There already is a condition on the 2024 1st. If we get to the ECF, we lose it to SJS from Meier trade.

There is no goalie available that would both improve this roster and fit our price range. General rule....if a goalie is worth that pick....they aren't being traded.

And our GM has said he does not want to trade for goalie mid-season...Fitzy is rolling with Vanecek, Schmid (and Kincaid if need be).

Doesn’t trade tanev or zadorov

It would then roll to 2025 pick (making it likely more valuable)...but would need to add protections to it in case the wheels come off.