Damn this is even worse than just trading for Pinto

Yeah not the way they want to trade Pinto

Then feel free to tell me what Ottawa would want for him because if this isn't enough, the entire Sens fanbase may be delusional...

Let's just say we agreed on the value... the real issue is that IF we were moving Pinto and Kubalik it would be in return for players that can help us win now, not a pick that is years away from NHL ready (if ever).

While that's fair, the entire point of a deal like this would be that Ottawa doesn't have room to sign Pinto, how would the cap work for players that would help in other capacities?

Value is there, but OTT would rather move Kubalik for a 2nd or 3rd and use the cap space to sign Pinto. They have 0 interest in moving him without an overpay and replacement.

lol ok

They are not looking to trade him.

It would be like me offering

Angus Crookshank
Lassi Thomson
2024 1st round pick (OTT)
2025 2nd round pick (OTT)

for

Seth Jarvis
Jordan Martinook


Would you do it?

If I was trading Pinto to the Carolina Hurricanes, it would be to acquire Martin Necas or Seth Jarvis (picks/prospects to balance it out I don't care). No other trade would make sense except maybe :

Pinto + Brannstrom + Thomson + Joseph for Pesce + Noesen + 5th

Sanderson - Chychrun
Chabot - Pesce
Kleven - Zub
JBD/Hamonic

In before you scream for murder but that would be because you don't know how good Pinto and Brannstrom are/will be. Joseph is also a quality defensive forward, just a bit overpaid based on his last season but not based on what he did prior. Thomson has a pretty good offensive skillset but just no opportunity for him in Ottawa

Note : only making this if Pesce agrees to long term extension

Necas or Jarvis would need Stutzle or Tkachuk coming back, funny though. Pinto's becoming majorly overrated. He's fine, but he's not showing any major upside right now. His analytics are average. He's below replacement offensively. The entire idea would be he's a sheltered 4C on a good team. A quick look at his counting totals during his development show you that he's never had that kind of offensive upside. If you also want to act like he didn't shoot at 12%, that's fine too. He's going to regress if nothing changes. He could take a step defensively because he's always been strong in his own end, that's fair, but he's never been good going forward. At any level.

Ottawa wouldn't pay the price Carolina want for a Pesce deal. It would need to be like JBD (I think he's still waiver exempt, if not it would need to be someone who is), 2024 1st, and Kleven or someone like that. A cap dump Joseph is not doing anything, Brannstrom is a meh 3rd pairing D man at this point, and Lassi Thomson is nice, but he's not waiver exempt and the Canes have 9 better defensemen than him right now.

You have the guts to compare Pinto to Jarvis, which is bold... Jarvis is one of the best young talents in the league that can play both C and Wing. He's already got multiple 40 point seasons under his belt, one in which he may have reached the 50 point mark had he played every game. Pinto has 36 NHL points in his career. Pinto's also older... they are not comparable.

I'm sorry but that's a homer take if I have ever seen one. It would be in the same fashion as saying Pinto or Greig need Aho or Svechnikov coming back (of course you'll get up in arms for this)


That's because you have no idea of what type of player he is going to be. Guys like Philip Danault and Anthony Cirelli are not seen as offensive juggernauts, are they? No, they're just extremely valuable 2-way ~0.6 PPG centers that coaches love like their own kids

His stats during his 22 y/o rookie season after missing a full season and put in a very hard situation with Norris injury are irrelevant


So Kleven + JBD + 1st for Pesce? I'm sorry but Pinto + Brannstrom + Thomson + Joseph is almost as valuable...

And the fact that you say "Brannstrom is a meh 3rd pairing D man at this point" shows your ignorance about Ottawa. He wrecked the 3rd pairings last season and his advanced stats show that he could also do very well in a 2nd pairing role. The thing is that he actually did it in the reality when Chabot was injured and he was playing more difficult minutes

Anyway, doubt the Sens have any interest in trading Kleven, like Pinto

Remember, this is YOUR ACGM, not from a Sens fan


Not only you can't get simple facts straight (Pinto has 43 pts) but it seems that you need to be explained literally everything.

- No, I did NOT make a direct comparison

- Pinto is a 6'2 Center, Jarvis is a 5'10 Winger. Position and size always add value, I don't make the rules. Jarvis did not play center last season and doubtful he ever will

- While Jarvis is going to have better offensive numbers, Pinto will provide other elements

- I was NOT comparing the players, I was comparing the packages.

- First off, Kubalik > Martinook

- The 2 picks from Ottawa in my example are also more valuable than the 2 Canes picks in your ACGM, unless you think the Sens are going to finish ahead of the Canes?


Ottawa and their fans do NOT want to trade Pinto, IF they would, then it would have to be for a piece we want MORE, like Necas, Jarvis or Pesce. But you totally missed that point it seems.