1. Pinto will sign for 2.5 million

2. Ducks, Flyers and Golden Knights all decline.

3. Josh Bailey is done at the NHL level

4. Ducks decline because they might be the team who needs young D-men the LESS in the league

5. Flyers don't need Joseph as they're rebuild and they will want more compensation (which is apparently ridiculous)

6. Parker Kelly has no trade value, he would mist likely not be claimed on waivers

I think the likelihood of the Flyers return would be Joseph with a 3rd and maybe Boucher since he's not highly valued by many it seems. I'd just be happy with the extra pick. I think the demand is made out to be high is because of the length.

For example the Flyers got an extra 2nd for taking on Petersen's 2 by 5, so a 3rd ot 4th to take on Joseph's 3 by 2.95 seems reasonable.

Flyers decline

Vegas already has the best 4th line in the league BY FAR with Carrier - Roy - Kolesar, idk what they would need an AHL-level player for.

Boucher + 3rd would be like two 3rds for me but still not happy to move a good 3rd line forward in Joseph. That contract won't be considered bad in the near future

I'd like to keep both Brannstrom and Kubalik but one has to go IMO. Trading Brannstrom would also allow to not lose Thomson on waivers. Sens have one of the best LD (if not the best) in the NHL (Chychrun, Sanderson, Chabot, Kleven) so they can afford to move him

It would also be hard to give Kubalik some PP minutes when everyone is healthy so he's not that needed. Plus he's UFA after the season and Sens will need the cap space to replace Tarasenko


The thing that is not understood on CF is that not every "cap dump" is similar in "intensity". Petersen is close to a full cap dump while Joseph is not even a cap dump, more a cap casualty. In normal circumstances, a team wouldn't be looking to move a good 3rd liner making less than 3.0 per year.

Yeah. I thought cap situation plus contract length would equal a 3rd here. I've heard around the grape vine that Joseph is having a good preseason. Hope it works out for him, because everyone loves a good bounceback story.

Considering the market right now, it's understandable that teams with cap space (ho don't need Joseph as they're rebuilding anyway) will want to benefit of the situation but it's also why it doesn't make sense to pay to move him. Joseph is 26 and has an history of being good. The thing is people quickly look at his hockeydb.com profile and determine that he's a cap dump BUT...

He has played on the top contender during his first 4 NHL seasons, averaging 11:54 of ice-time, including PK. Being on a top contender, it's normal that there was several players in front of him on the W depth chart. He still averaged 26 pts per 82 games (only 2 out of 70 pts on the PP and 36 of these ES/PK pts were goals) while being a top NHL PK forward and being good defensively at ES.

He didn't have a great season last year but overall in Ottawa, he has averaged 37 pts per 82 games while still being good defensively. Teams are a lot more "informed" than the average hockey fan, they are going to rely on Joseph whole body work and not just in a 56 games stretch last season. They of course are not going to listen to the noise from random internet posters like GMDB's pushing a narrative.

It's possible that Dorion still trades Joseph but I can't see a situation where he is stupid enough to move a 1st or a prospect like Greig (I even see that as a demand lol) or two 2nds, etc. If no team is rady to lower their demands then Dorion will have to move either Kubalik or Brannstrom, or maybe something else will happen that nobody saw coming (like it's most of the time the case)