L.Hughes, Nemec, 1st

Still not enough to get Elias Petterson out of Vancouver.

And Patrick Kane isn't signing with New Jersey for 3rd line minutes only.

Nemec Mercer pick. NJ can't afford Mercer with Petey anyway.

Devils aren't paying approximately 6 firsts of value for pettersson.

Based on a 6 mill / 1st value (monahan cap dump)

that's 36 million in surplus value.

Meaning pettersson on a 7x10 would have to be a 14.2 million dollar player. I don't think he's that.

I think this is the absolute best the Devils are going to offer. And IMO it’s enough. You’re still giving away the #2 overall a “ elite “ player a first + second + prospect.

And Just switch Kane and Toffoli then

This isn't connor mcdavid. You have 1 year of RFA control. Even on a 7x10 petterrsson would have to play like a 16 million dollar player for that to be worth it

Crazy talk. Just because someone is a #2 pick means nothing until he proves his worth. Recent draft gives Nemec benefit of the doubt to prove himself but Pettersson is beyond this package. A late first is nothing to get excited about. There would 100% be better offers for Vancouver.

tf you on jimbo. Don’t tell me there’s going to be a better offer when someone is offering NEMEC BRATT 1ST + 2ND + PROSPECT.

Van doesn't need another pricey winger. Van will be chasing another Pettersson for a decade or more. Think it through from that perspective. The late first, and a year later, is laughable. Pettersson is the franchise in Vancouver. You'd have to offer something beyond what NJ would even consider.

Nobody is paying this. Pettersson isn't mcdavid. He's a PPG elite defensive C who had 1 year of inflated stats. He'd have to be a 15 mill a year player to be worth this

Just say 'Hey, Vancouver games aren't televised on he East Coast. I don't know what I'm talking about'.

'Elite defensive C' yes elite defensively and offensively. Imagine Jack Hughes with defensive game.

He isn't close to jack hughes offensively.

He's Nico Hischier+

85 point player (he's been under a PPG every year except when 1 year when he got 30 assists to 2 guys with shooting efficiency that hasn't been seen since the Soviet Union was still around, and not a single above average goaltender in the division)

To be fair, he just had one of the best seasons of recent years for 18-year old in NA pro hockey. Was one of the best 5v5 dmen in AHL (60%+ GF%)…and PK beast.

His value comes from what he did in 2022-23 (and from his showing this pre-season)…less so from where he was drafted.

You're funny 🤣 thanks for this lol

Yeah, from this view you are right but Bratt is worth his money. But I agree with you, Vancouver would be looking to find his replacement. But i mean could you formulate a realistic offer that would make sens for Pettersson other than the Devils??

Bruv he’s Elias Pettersson. He’s not even in the same category of Hischier. Saying he isn’t close to Jack Hughes offensively is actually crazy. He’s literally a top 8 nhl player.

30 assists to Kuzmenko+horvat shooting 27%. Very sustainable production. Who's the best goalie in the pacific? Half a season of Korpisalo?

under a PPG every, other, year.

He's slightly worse nico hischier with a better shot

Yes, no doubt. Not saying he's a bust or not promising by any means. Draft was recent and he did well. But, Vancouver nukes their franchise by moving Petey. There is no good trade for Van unless it's a blatant overpay.

Personally, I'm less enticed by picks. Nemec and Mercer to me. NJ doesn't want to do that though. Van doesn't want to move Petey. It's tough. Your posted offer isn't terrible but it would such a huge hole in Vancouver that it's hard to think of any deal that could get there where NJ isn't done with talks.

keep it coming. Happy Canadian Thanksgiving to me. I love Heischer and I appreciate your devils fandom.

He isn't. You're just being decieved by the base stats.

Elias pettersson got 23 assists to Kuzmenko shooting 27% (kuzmenko had 24 xgoals on the season)
Jack hughes got 1 assist to Erik Haula shooting 5% (haula had 22 xGoals on the season)

Overall, Nico+Haula+Bratt+Dougie combined shot about 0 above expectation. Everyone else was also around expectation on the devils
Overall, Kuzmenko+Horvat+JT Miller (this makes up 2/3rds of Petterssons assists) were combined for about 30 goals above expectation. Everyone else was around expectation.

Now this goes into a combination of luck, shooting talent, opposing goaltending, etc.

It doesn't have any bearing on the ability of Jack Hughes or Elias Pettersson. But it inflates petterssons stats to the MOON

40 even strength assists and 28 ev goals. He's a freak. We love him like Devils fans love Hughes.

So your laundry list of stats ignores his ability 5v5. He gets absolutely swarmed in the PP and that allows guys like Kuz to go off. If teams start covering off Kuz on the PP, Petey will get more PP scoring opportunities.

If Vancouver was primed with a generation of young guys and picks, like Buffalo was when they sold Eichel, I could probably make an argument for some sort of Pettey move. But unless they can get some unicorn package…there is no reason not to pay and keep a top-10 player.

Nico has more xGoals over the past 2 years in less games, gives up fewer chances against, and generates more chance for. Pettersson is an elite finisher however, while Hischier is not.

Hischier usually shoots around expectation. This year he shot about 8 goals below. Positive regression there probably puts him in the low 80s in points

Pettersson has shot above expectation every year, I don't expect that to change. The 30 assists to horvat and kuzmenko shooting %s in the high 20s I do expect to come down, and to see Pettersson in the high 80s.

Kuzmenko had TWICE as many goals as xGoals on 5v5. I don't see that as sustainable, do you? And even if it does turn out that Kuzmenko actually IS the best finisher we've seen in 30 years, I'm not giving Pettersson credit for Kuzmenko's ability to finish plays.