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Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 26, 2023
Published: Oct. 26, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Pinto serves his suspension until late Jan and signs his QO. Meanwhile, PD trades Kubalik, 2024 2nd Rd Pick and JBD to SJS for injured Barabanov (50% retained). Sens place Barabanov on LTIR (until mid-Dec) and call up Smejkal, Kleven and MacEwan. Sens enter second half of season with Pinto and pending free agent Barabanov (and perhaps Alex Formenton?!) healthy and highly motivated.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$874,125
Trades
OTT
  1. Barabanov, Alexander ($1,250,000 retained)
SJS
  1. Bernard-Docker, Jacob
  2. Kubalik, Dominik
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (OTT)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$80,224,047$0$1,850,000$3,275,953
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,205,714$8,205,714
LW
UFA - 5
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$8,350,000$8,350,000
C
UFA - 8
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$870,000$870,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$7,950,000$7,950,000
C
UFA - 7
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$4,975,000$4,975,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$2,950,000$2,950,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$863,333$863,333
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
LW
RFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
C
UFA - 1
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$835,000$835,000
C, RW
RFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
RW, C
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$1,850,000$2M)
LD
UFA - 1
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD, LW
RFA - 1
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 2
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$916,667$916,667
LD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
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$874,125$874,125 ($0$0$0$0)
C
RFA - 1

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Oct. 26, 2023 at 1:40 p.m.
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Formenton is not coming back anytime soon, and good riddance.

Barabanov is not good.
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Oct. 26, 2023 at 1:43 p.m.
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Sens
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Quoting: stuuuuuuuuuuutzle
Formenton is not coming back anytime soon, and good riddance.

Barabanov is not good.


call up jarventie instead
Oct. 26, 2023 at 1:45 p.m.
#3
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Formenton is probably in Russia for a reason... no extradition treaty
Oct. 26, 2023 at 1:54 p.m.
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What is the significance of Pinto ‘signing his QO’ in late Jan? He’d be ineligible to play ofter his suspension. Obviously a ‘masterclass’ in the making here.
Oct. 26, 2023 at 2:01 p.m.
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Quoting: MTLaveragefan
Formenton is probably in Russia for a reason... no extradition treaty


I believe he’s in Switzerland with the team he played with last year.
Oct. 26, 2023 at 2:13 p.m.
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Quoting: Hii
I believe he’s in Switzerland with the team he played with last year.


Ah TRUE! I remember hearing his name in a Reinbacher highlight this summer!

I apologize for engaging in misinformation on the internet.
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Oct. 26, 2023 at 3:38 p.m.
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Quoting: stuuuuuuuuuuutzle
Formenton is not coming back anytime soon, and good riddance.

Barabanov is not good.


barabanov is good -_-
Oct. 26, 2023 at 3:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac555
What is the significance of Pinto ‘signing his QO’ in late Jan? He’d be ineligible to play ofter his suspension. Obviously a ‘masterclass’ in the making here.



Pinto is exempt from the Dec 1st RFA deadline. https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1717574003856941202?ref=silversevensens.com
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Oct. 26, 2023 at 3:42 p.m.
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Thanks BearGold. My question is why wait to sign?

Quoting: Beargold
Pinto is exempt from the Dec 1st RFA deadline. https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1717574003856941202?ref=silversevensens.com
Oct. 26, 2023 at 3:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac555
Thanks BearGold. My question is why wait to sign?


Suspended players (usually) still count against the cap. By waiting, they're not hamstringing themselves further than they already are.
Oct. 26, 2023 at 4:23 p.m.
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I’m not some sort of capologist, but I don’t think waiting for Pinto makes it any cheaper for a team that isn’t really accruing cap space. Have no cap, grow no cap…

Quoting: Beargold
Suspended players (usually) still count against the cap. By waiting, they're not hamstringing themselves further than they already are.
Oct. 26, 2023 at 4:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Beargold
Suspended players (usually) still count against the cap. By waiting, they're not hamstringing themselves further than they already are.


I thought off-ice suspensions don't count against the cap (thinking back to LA & Voynov - once the NHL suspended him instead of the team suspension, his cap hit came off)
Oct. 26, 2023 at 4:52 p.m.
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Quoting: BsInOttawa
I thought off-ice suspensions don't count against the cap (thinking back to LA & Voynov - once the NHL suspended him instead of the team suspension, his cap hit came off)


Quoting: Caniac555
I’m not some sort of capologist, but I don’t think waiting for Pinto makes it any cheaper for a team that isn’t really accruing cap space. Have no cap, grow no cap…


After looking at the CBA, I believe BsInOttawa is right. Section 50.10(c) reads: "For Players that are suspended, either by a Club or by the League, the Player Salary and Bonuses that are not paid to such Players shall not count against a Club's Upper Limit or against the Players' Share for the duration of the suspension, but the Club must have Payroll Room for such Player's Player Salary and Bonuses in order for such Player to be able to return to Play for the Club."

Also, after reading more it makes more sense for OTT to sign Pinto ASAP rather than wait until Jan for the very reason Caniac555 says. Barring a LTIR injury, we're not accruing any cap space and Pinto's contract would be condensed, so while it may be a ~$870k hit on paper, I'm pretty sure they'd have to fit that hit in between signing and the end of the season, meaning rather than ~$870k across the 82 game schedule, it would be across 41 games; essentially doubling the cost against the cap.

HOWEVER, I am also not a cap-ologist. Just piecing together what I've read in the CBA, on CF, and on other sources.
Oct. 26, 2023 at 6:23 p.m.
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I'd rather have 2nd, Kubalik and JBD

Sens don't need Barabanov, they need a better defensive structure and hockey systems (aka new coaching staff)
 
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