not getting moved like 2 weeks after an extension

I know that, I'm asking what would it take if it was possible

honestly the value it would take would probably a lot, i think holtz + first at least.

Yikes lol?!? Read your description.
What he said...

Mercer/Holtz+1st

oh here we go Devil fan wants everyone and anyone at this point. congratz on limiting our cap for next year with that 4m gone cuz of hartman.

You need to chill out. OP just wanted to see what Hartman's value is as he admires the player. It's not like OP is Tom Fitzgerald. Settle down a bit

In this veteran winger economy?

That's more than Fiala, Meier, and Cat went for

Don't know about Meier and Debrincat, but Fiala returned a 21 year old top 4 D and a 1st. Neither Mercer nor Holtz have that kind of value.

And you're asking for the Wild's #1 center who just extended for 3 more years, I'm not sure why you thought you'd get a favorable response.

Holtz is the same level of prospect as faber was when dealt.

Mercer is much more valuable than what faber was when traded

Neither middle six winger touches a top four defenseman.

Faber was not traded as a top 4 dman. He was traded as a prospect in the top 25-50 range. Same as holtz is now. What you're doing is revisionist history

And less valuable than a guy who scored nearly 30 goals at 21

But also just to go further, Mercer is 21 and was better than hartman last year

He was a prospective top four defenseman who was NHL ready, but was still playing in college, yes. Valued as a long term top 4 D.

Lot of good those (almost) 30 goals are doing him this year? He's at what, almost .75 shots per game so far? No points? 8 games? I'm sure (almost 30 goals at 21) translates directly to 35 at 22.

Two middle six wingers have nothing on a top four RD.

But also 0 points this season so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Call me when he's better than Hartman again and we can talk about doing the deal 1 for 1. Until then, you add to get the better player.

Hartman is nearly 30 with just 1 40 point season in his career. Mercer is 21 with 2. I know you're a homer but please don't be delusional

Let's use the top 50 prospect rankings by Scott wheeler as a comp:

July 2022:
Holtz 17th, Faber not ranked
Feb 2023
Holtz 22nd, Faber 40th
July 2023:
Holtz 34th, Faber HM

Faber is turning out, but that doesn't change what he was at the time of the trade

Kinda convenient for you to draw the line at 40 points when Hartman got 37 points in 59 games last year, isn't it? Even in a season where he missed over 20 games, and was injured for half the games he did play, he still paced for over 50 points. So far this season he's got 9 of them in 9 games while Mercer has... 0? Yeah 0.

Regardless, the question was asked by a Devils fan who wants him, "what would it take". You have the answer.

Regardless you are delusional for thinking ryan hartman is worth more than Timo Meier, Alex Debrincat, or Kevin Fiala.

I mean the fact that Faber is "turning out" and Holtz is "turning into nothing" is all the evidence I need to not use Scott Wheeler's rankings as a point of evidence of anything meaningful, but whatever you need to cling to is great for you.

Holtz has been great 👍 . There's a difference between competing for minutes with Meier Mercer Bratt Toffoli Palat, and competing for minutes with... Dakota Mermis and Calen Addison

I'm sure he has, pal, I'm sure he has.

If you're looking for some more accurate comps to Hartmans value:
Offseason:
Reilly Smith
Toffoli

Deadline:
Bertuzzi
Tarasenko
Lehkonen

using 9 games 2 years in the future to retroactively evaluate trade valuations is certainly a way to be a homer ig

I'm not, because I'm not the Devils fan who asked what it would take to acquire him. That's the part you can't seem to understand here. I'm perfectly happy with keeping him.

Stop throwing a fit because my answer isn't what you'd want to pay. Move on lil bro.