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Marleau,Hainsey, Moore: is it enough?

Created by: ODOG67
Team: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 2, 2017
Published: Jul. 3, 2017
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Is this the group that can dominate the Atlantic? not quite..let's tweak a tad...
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$2,800,000
3$1,800,000
2$900,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Trouba, Jacob
  2. 2018 1st round pick (WPG)
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Pick becomes WPG 2019 2nd round if the player extends in TOR.
WPG
  1. Gardiner, Jake
  2. van Riemsdyk, James
  3. 2018 2nd round pick (SJS)
  4. 2018 3rd round pick (SJS)
Buyouts
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Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2018
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2019
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$75,000,000$67,365,833$5,370,000$5,525,000$7,634,167

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
$2,800,000$2,800,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
C
UFA - 2
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW
UFA - 1
$6,250,000$6,250,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 3
$4,200,000$4,200,000
C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW
UFA - 2
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
UFA - 5
$1,800,000$1,800,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
$2,950,000$2,950,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
$1,000,000$1,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
$736,666$736,666 (Performance Bonus$125,000$125K)
RW
UFA - 1
$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
$2,000,000$2,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 5
$2,812,500$2,812,500
RD
UFA - 1
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 4
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 7
$850,000$850,000
G
UFA - 2
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LD
UFA - 1
$750,000$750,000
RD
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3

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Jul. 3, 2017 at 12:09 a.m.
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It's realistic
Jul. 3, 2017 at 12:34 a.m.
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Edited Jul. 3, 2017 at 12:41 a.m.
People see JVR and think Leafs dumping cap space. He's 28 with 1 year left on his contract, unless he's the missing piece for a team making a push for the cup now there isn't much point. (They could get him for free next summer, so he's got to be the perfect last 1 or 2 pieces of the puzzle. A good 2nd line winger, PP or even PK)
As for Gardiner, they could have signed the exact same player in Kris Russell except that Russell is older and has now sanded off the some of the rougher edges in his defensive game.
There are GMs who see nothing wrong with paying him 4 million, but WPG has a record of being conservative and smart in their player selections.

On the WPG side, you are not valuing the bargain contract Trouba is signed to. Leafs should be paying a bonus to reflect a 6 million/yr player on the books at 2.8.
Jul. 3, 2017 at 12:39 a.m.
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I'd do JVR, Gardiner, a 2nd and a 3rd for Trouba without WPG's 1st. Trouba is a number D-man, JVR is gone at the end of the season, Gardiner is a career top 4 d-man, and 2 picks that will probably turn into nothing that special is Ok with me.
Jul. 3, 2017 at 1:08 a.m.
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Quoting: goldie078
People see JVR and think Leafs dumping cap space. He's 28 with 1 year left on his contract, unless he's the missing piece for a team making a push for the cup now there isn't much point. (They could get him for free next summer, so he's got to be the perfect last 1 or 2 pieces of the puzzle. A good 2nd line winger, PP or even PK)
As for Gardiner, they could have signed the exact same player in Kris Russell except that Russell is older and has now sanded off the some of the rougher edges in his defensive game.
There are GMs who see nothing wrong with paying him 4 million, but WPG has a record of being conservative and smart in their player selections.

On the WPG side, you are not valuing the bargain contract Trouba is signed to. Leafs should be paying a bonus to reflect a 6 million/yr player on the books at 2.8.



Trouba has one year left on his deal. Re-signing in TOR isn't a lock. I am completely cognizant of his value. I also see the left side being an issue for WPG in the next 2 years and Gardiner is a good get.
Jul. 3, 2017 at 8:21 a.m.
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I don't understand why a 27 goal scorer (Marleau) exchanged for 29 goal scorer,(JVR) and Gardiner exchanged for Trouba, makes the Leafs any better at LW or defence.
Jul. 3, 2017 at 9:26 a.m.
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I don't understand why a 27 goal scorer (Marleau) exchanged for 29 goal scorer,(JVR) and Gardiner exchanged for Trouba, makes the Leafs any better at LW or defence.


Marleau makes JVR expendable. All he costs is money. He's also able to spot in on face-offs should Bozak get tossed. Trouba adds a needed element of toughness to the top 2 pairings. He can skate, he's a great right hand point shot and he can hit. Toronto has no grit or functional toughness at that position.
Jul. 3, 2017 at 12:40 p.m.
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ODG67: In my wildest dreams I don't know how you can say the Leafs have no grit on defence. Gee, they had young team that made the playoffs. You want think an experienced defence like the Jets....Buff, Enstrom, Stuart, Myers plus Morrissey and Trouba would have been good enough to make the playoffs, but maybe that didn't have grit. I'll agree the Leafs didn't/don't have much functional toughness but geez, Trouba ain't that good. He is under Jets "control" for three years..
Marleau's production has.declined considerable in the last two years. To me it seems like a desperation move by the Leafs. As suggested earlier, his third year contract is going to cost Leafs a good player.
He can't be LTIRed or bought out for cap relief due to plus 35 signing..
Jul. 4, 2017 at 4:25 a.m.
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ODG67: In my wildest dreams I don't know how you can say the Leafs have no grit on defence. Gee, they had young team that made the playoffs. You want think an experienced defence like the Jets....Buff, Enstrom, Stuart, Myers plus Morrissey and Trouba would have been good enough to make the playoffs, but maybe that didn't have grit. I'll agree the Leafs didn't/don't have much functional toughness but geez, Trouba ain't that good. He is under Jets "control" for three years..
Marleau's production has.declined considerable in the last two years. To me it seems like a desperation move by the Leafs. As suggested earlier, his third year contract is going to cost Leafs a good player.
He can't be LTIRed or bought out for cap relief due to plus 35 signing..



My comment was that the Leafs have no real toughness in the top two pairings. I stand by that comment.
Jul. 4, 2017 at 9:26 a.m.
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No it's not enough.....and Leafs will go through cap crunch in 2 years and will lose a couple kids.......need to get your cup in the next 2 years, but it won't happen, sorry for the bad news....
 
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