Maybe, but CGY would have to have a re-sign with DeBrusk to make it work.

Lysell is a good prospect, but Harrison is an mid midlevel prospect, former 3rd rounder so those two alone probably dont do it. If DeBrusk isn;t resigned it doesn;t work.

Ryan O'Reilly got a midlevel prospect, a 1st, a 3rd and he was struggling, semi-injured and much older.

I think a BOS 1st has to be included, even if its THREE drafts away

I think the value is there, or at least really close. I just don't know if this deal makes sense for either team. Bruins don't really wanna be moving any young guys out, especially someone like Lysell who's one of their top prospects. I think the Flames would want picks if they're really blowing it up, but perhaps Lysell is tempting enough if they aren't.

Calgary has no use for Debrusk as he won’t re-sign there.

Maybe if they do it now. They have a few months to convince him or move him at the deadline. But at the deadline he is worthless to them without an extension,

Pretty sure DeBrusk would re-sign in Calgary.

Pretty sure he doesn’t.

With retention, DeBrusk can be flipped for future assets if they don’t sign him. I’d rather include Forbort or Grzelcyk and Geekie if they don’t value DeBrusk appropriately.

I do believe the package would need to be Lysell and a #1 as the primary part of the deal.

Personally, I’d rather see Boston stay out of the trade market for a center to see what Zacha / Poitras do

Without retention Debrusk can be flipped. But the initial trade has to happen before the deadline to give them the chance to. Or a 3 way. Then it gets complicated.

I don’t see it working at all honestly. Boston has to move salary out and Calgary still might have to retain. All that pushes the cost up and there is not a salaried player Boston is willing to include that Calgary would view as an asset.

^This right here. Horvat w/ 25% retention last year went for 1st + Raty + Beauvillier

1st = 1st
Lysell = Raty
??? = Beauvillier

Beauvillier was 25yrs old a fringe 20/20 guy and had 1yr remaining at $4.1 million. DeBrusk is slightly better than a 20/20 guy, but he's a pending UFA. Frederic could be a 20/20 and signed for 1 more year at $2.3 million, but he's more of fringe 20/15 guy right now

Lindholm is far from ideal. He isn't a real 1C and wants 1C money on top of having a reputation of Selke guy when he hasn't been that at all. He'll be 30 next season when his new (likely long-term) contract begins. Does it match the Bruins' timeline and how long will he keep his current level of play? Not only you move DeBrusk but also Lysell with no guarantee of being able to sign a top winger. This trade doesn't make much sense.

What makes a "real 1C" in your opinion?

Lindholm over the last 3 years among NHL Centers:

83 Goals - Ranks 18th
110 Assist - Ranks 20th
193 Points - Ranks 16th

He ranks 29th among center with 150gp over the last 3 years in FO% as well. I'm not as concerned about his age seeing as more players are playing deeper in their 30's because they take better care of their body.

My assumption is Geekie/Grzelcyk without retention would hold similar value to Beauvalier. Ultimately, a lot of deals get lost in the cap filler valuation. Personally, I’d rather have Grzelcyk than Beauvalier as a player and my guess is he’d sign an extension if that’s what you wanted.

My assumption is Lysell holds more value than Raty. The Islander #1 is better than the Bruin one. Lindholm being a year older and entering FA in a year where cash is available makes his future contract expectations worse than what Horvat’s would be. I’d also say that increases Lindholm’s walk away risk and is likely a big consideration in his valuation long term vs rental.

I think there is something there, but it may need to be supplemented. I’ve generally added either Merkulov or Harrison in my renditions of the deal that don’t include DeBrusk

If DeBrusk is included, his expiring contract makes him an optimal playoff sniper rental. Hes a better player than Bettuzzi and he netted a top 10 protected pick with retention. You’d have to time the deal before the deadline to make that part work. It could add complexity, but his retention is about what Vancouver retained in Horvat and my guess is that would net a late 1 from a contender

From Boston’s perspective, I’d rather include Grz/Geekie/Harrison or Melkulov choice vs DeBrusk. The question is would Calgary be OK with that substitute. For the record, I’m OK going with what we have

That’s fair, but I believe it will take an 8 year contract to sign him and that puts him at 37. It’s a higher risk profile and one that should be considered. It’s why I wonder how many teams would value him as a long term secure vs a rental. He’s a very good player and would be great in between Marchand and DeBrusk with Poitras sliding between Pasta/Zacha.

Lets say he did require an 8yr deal. If you get #1 production out of him for 3-4 years and then top 6 production for another 2 years, then you're looking at overall of 5-6 years of Top 6 production. If you assume his last 2 years will be fall off, he's likely still a good offensive #3C.

I’m willing to offer

Grz, Geekie, Lysell, Merkulov, and a #1 for Lindholm OR

DeBrusk, Lysell, and a #1 for Lindholm

If that isn’t enough, so be it

The first package is overkill imo. The second package I think is more than fair value. If CGY really wanted to they could eat half of DeBrusk cap and flip him for a 1st+ which would net them a pair of 1st + Lysell + another prospect. That would be a fantastic return for a pending UFA.

I prefer the keeping DeBrusk package personally and don’t feel the first package as overkill. The concept of a Marchand/Lindholm/DeBrusk line is really intriguing to me

It may be tough to keep DeBrusk in the mix while also giving Lindholm a long-term deal and Swayman a long-term deal. I'd guess you're looking at around $22 million to keep all of those guy on the roster for the following season. That would leave you with $2.5 to $3 million to fill out your 3rd pairing and have an extra forward and d-man. You could in theory trade Ullmark and gain another $4 million (assume $1 million for a back-up goalie), but I'd rather have the strength in net.

I sort of assumed that was your rationale. My perspective is Ullmark likely brings back a solid package in terms of trade, so I have assumed he will be traded in the offseason if we give Swayman the extension I think he’s going to deserve

He may, but goalies historically don't have great trade value. Not to mention that Ullmark has a 15 team NTC and if he and his agent play it right, its basically like having a full NTC.

It’s kind of ironic that fans of teams that say that generally have goaltending that is limiting their upside. I do think there are teams who would trade first rounders for Ullmark, but I think a lot of it depends on cap filler needed around it.

I don't think it's only this fans. I mean I'm Bruins fan and I agree with the idea. If you look at most goalie trades, they don't go for much. You'll get some outliers here and there, but historically they are traded for less than what they actually bring on the ice.

I kind of do believe it is a narrative based on minimal datapoints. The Keumper deal and the cap dump of Fleury are really the two data points mentioned most.

Lots of mediocre options traded for 2nd and 3rd round picks which correlates to most positions.

Maybe I’m misremembering, but you don’t see a lot of very good goaltenders swapping hands via trade. I guess you can extrapolate from that maybe.

I do think a lot of teams take a calculated risk that you can get average production cheaper at goalie with a little lower risk profile, but that doesn’t explain why so many good teams have tire fires at goalie

I think you're jumping the gun on having Lindholm AND Nylander in BOS next season. The cap doesn't really work. Lindholm is probably in the $8-9 MIL range, Nylander the same, Swayman needs a new contract, JD needs a new contract (unlikely he gets dealt), then need a whole new 3rd pair. Unless the cap jumps insanely big, there isn't that much cap to fill out the roster.

CAL want alot for a rental coming to an 8-0-1 club.

I guess I look at it this way. Ullmark is top 5 at his position and on a pretty good contract. If you were to put him at any other position he'd be commanding 1st + top prospect + young NHLer. I think Boston would lucky to get a 1st + mid level prospect for him. I think many teams see goalies as a product of the system and would rather spend money and assets on simply trying to outscore the other team vs stopping the other team from scoring.

I'm not opposed to trading Ullmark to keep DeBrusk, but I know Boston likes to run a two goalie tandem. If Bussi has another solid year in the AHL, then I think it makes it easier to move Ullmark.