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Created by: squashmaple

Team: 2023-24 Columbus Blue Jackets

Initial Creation Date: Nov. 8, 2023

Published: Nov. 8, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

I've been reading a lot about Huberdeau today and the discussion on various message boards has brought up that he's a pure stylistic mismatch for the Calgary flames. But you know what team could very well be a good match? Columbus. The Jackets have multiple puck-moving defensemen and forwards who can gain the zone. Huberdeau's a passenger who can thrive in a system built for him, like he did in Florida. Calgary just very much is not that place.

This retention might be a bitter pill to swallow, I know. But no team is taking on his full 10.5, and this gets him off the team and off the books at 10.5 and nets you some bodies who aren't without skill. Also fully willing to edit and discuss, not that Calgary has much leverage. Four million is definitely high, but perhaps there is a number that would be palatable to get them out of the contract but is also amenable to the receiving team?

But Huberdeau at 6.5 to a team with a better system fit for the type of player he is? *That* sounds like a Jarmo move.

Trades

CBJ

Huberdeau, Jonathan ($4,000,000 retained)

Additional Details:

I know that's a lot of retention. But it saves you from having 10.5 of useless money sitting on your books, and the contract as structured is essentially buy-out proof anyway

CGY

Additional Details:

For cap purposes, fully willing to negotiate

Buyouts

Alexander Wennberg: $891,667

Buried

Eric Robinson: $450,000 ($1,600,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$83,500,000	$79,189,166	$0	$5,900,000	$4,310,834

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Gaudreau, Johnny $9,750,000$9,750,000 LW NMC UFA - 6	Jenner, Boone $3,750,000$3,750,000 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 3	Huberdeau, Jonathan $6,500,000$6,500,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 8
Voronkov, Dmitri $925,000$925,000 LW, C, RW RFA - 2	Fantilli, Adam $950,000$950,000 ($3,200,000$3M) C RFA - 3	Marchenko, Kirill $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RW RFA - 1
Texier, Alexandre $1,525,000$1,525,000 LW, C, RW RFA - 1	Sillinger, Cole $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) C RFA - 1	Chinakhov, Yegor $800,000$800,000 RW, LW RFA - 1
Bemström, Emil $900,000$900,000 RW, LW RFA - 1	Kuraly, Sean $2,500,000$2,500,000 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Danforth, Justin $975,000$975,000 RW, C UFA - 1
		Olivier, Mathieu $1,100,000$1,100,000 RW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Werenski, Zachary $9,583,333$9,583,333 LD NMC UFA - 5	Severson, Damon $6,250,000$6,250,000 RD NTC UFA - 8	Merzlikins, Elvis $5,400,000$5,400,000 G M-NTC UFA - 4
Provorov, Ivan $4,725,000$4,725,000 LD UFA - 2	Jiricek, David $918,333$918,333 ($1,000,000$1M) RD RFA - 3	Martin, Spencer $762,500$762,500 G UFA - 1
Bean, Jake $2,333,333$2,333,333 LD/RD RFA - 1	Gudbranson, Erik $4,000,000$4,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3
	Boqvist, Adam $2,600,000$2,600,000 RD RFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Laine, Patrik $8,700,000$8,700,000 C, RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 3
	Tarasov, Daniil $1,050,000$1,050,000 G RFA - 2

Nov. 8, 2023 at 11:47 a.m.

TheMooterus

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No team is going to retain $32M over the next 8 seasons. Even if the trade value were spot on, Calgary isn't retaining.

Nov. 8, 2023 at 11:48 a.m.

Joblow

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Calgary won’t retain on 4 millions on Huberdeau for 8 years for literally nothing. Huberdeau have lost is swagger but he still is a high end talent and with a change of scenary could get back to is old self.

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Nov. 8, 2023 at 11:49 a.m.

squashmaple

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Quoting: TheMooterus

No team is going to retain $32M over the next 8 seasons. Even if the trade value were spot on, Calgary isn't retaining.

That's where I'm stuck, too. Maybe with some negotiation and other teams also retaining? Would start to get expensive for everyone, though. The best thing is probably for him and Calgary to mutually terminate since that contract is totally immovable.

Nov. 8, 2023 at 11:51 a.m.

yycofred

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It's a weird case where Huberdeau is somehow more valuable to the Flames than he is in a trade of any sort.

Retaining $4M for 8 years on a team that has the trajectory of a rebuilder at this point doesn't make any sense, especially when they have $30M projected in cap space this off season. Hanging onto Huberdeau and insulating him with players that work with his style should be how Calgary goes about this and hopefully they can reopen a competitive window within his contract. Jacob Pelletier was a catalyst for Huberdeau last season, he's been out all year and likely comes back after the all star break, making a move for a young enough guy in Duclair or signing him in the offseason could make sense as well. Lindholm and Huberdeau clearly don't fit, the most detrimental thing Calgary could do is sign Lindholm long term, big money and continue ramming a square peg in a round hole.

Nov. 8, 2023 at 11:51 a.m.

squashmaple

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Quoting: Joblow

Depends how urgent it becomes there. They're only out of the cellar of the Pacific because two teams are somehow worse. Opening up 6.5 million for eight years might be worth it. I just picked 4 randomly.

Nov. 8, 2023 at 11:55 a.m.

squashmaple

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Quoting: yycofred

If his contract was even a million less, they'd probably have more options. I agree Calgary's best option is to hang on and try to make the best of it and try to build around him. I've seen multiple Huberdeau-for-Gaudreau and that just got me thinking. Maybe not for Johnny, who'd never approve a trade back west, but I'm not opposed at all to bringing in Huberdeau in a vacuum.

Four million in retention is definitely too much for sure. I just picked the number randomly. But you've got to think there might be a number they'd willing to retain in order to get out of the contract, especially with Kadri's equally immovable one on the books and the likelihood they retain Lindholm.

Nov. 8, 2023 at 12:06 p.m.

Ledge_And_Dairy

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Quoting: squashmaple

Tell that to the flames cheapskate owner

Nov. 8, 2023 at 12:08 p.m.

yycofred

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Quoting: squashmaple

I don't think the Flames would want Gaudreau back, I personally just want his crazy uncle back in town, love that guy!

Kadri is a really simple buyout later in the deal and right now has been the best Flames in the last handful of games, even when people were down on him early this season he was still leading the team in a ton of advanced metrics and expected goals, it seems like he's found a really good connection with a rookie and they've taken off. I think there's a pretty low chance Calgary retains on Lindholm, he's not helping himself whatsoever in a contract year, if his ask is still anywhere over $8.5 Calgary should run the other way, I think that he's played himself into a spot where he's going to want more than he's worth Calgary won't offer that and he can go test the market to see of he can get that similar to what Kadri did, no one is going to get near $9 and he will settle somewhere else other than Calgary.

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