I think you have a hard time judging a bad trade from bad value which do not have to be the same thing.

This would be a bad trade for the Habs to do. I agree. Is the value off though? I'm not so sure it is. I think not a single team would take Anderson for free on waivers right now. Schmidt isn't good either but 1 more year after this one and its done. So you are paying a 1st that probably will be a playoff team 1st to get rid of Anderson for years 3 and 4. In a vacuum, this would probably be the cost right now. The key being "right now". Good GM's don't trade players at their worst.

Would I do it? No
Would you do it? No
Would KH do it? No

So there is nothing to worry about if you are opposed to it but if the Habs had to move him right now, they would be paying for it. Good thing they don't have to move now, right?

When we'll be ready to dump him, we'll call you.

For now you're the one calling us.

Winnipeg needs another forward come playoffs as having kupari on the team is a little sketchy. Jets are also one of the only teams that can afford Anderson for the contract that is a contender. So the jets make an upgrade of player but is on a terrible contract and get a pick that can be used to trade for a legit top 4 dman.

Mtl getting cap space for better players via FA and allowing for players like Ylonen and Roy to have ice time will be ideal. Ylonen could boom with the opportunity but with Anderson there the potential is being wasted while Anderson makes 8m this year for 2 assists and actively making his line mates worse

This is really bad for WPG

The reasoning for why MTL should do this, is the exact reason why WPG shouldn't. Again, you can't make that argument for it and then flip it once he's on your side. Its a bad trade any way you look at it and you can try to make any strongman argument you want, no GM would do this in MTL's situation.

Mtl gains cap space the jets need another nhl forward for the playoffs and a pick to trade for a legit player and mtl gets younger in the forwards while allowing for more flexibility for major free agents. Those are opposite reasons as wpg is not attracting a major FA, jets don't need the cap space super long term as we could lose nino and when appleton expires pay connor. So it actually works for both

Mtl should at least call around teams at the cost to dump as letting it go to far can really set a team back. No disrespect to Anderson but trading him away to whatever team for what it costs would be good for mtl and for Anderson to regain himself on a new team

Mtl gains cap space the jets need another nhl forward for the playoffs and a pick to trade for a legit player and mtl gets younger in the forwards while allowing for more flexibility for major free agents. Those are opposite reasons as wpg is not attracting a major FA, jets don't need the cap space super long term as we could lose nino and when appleton expires pay connor. So it actually works for both

Montreal doesn't need cap space.

Montreal could actually just use that pick themselves to get a legit player.

Montreal can bury that contract with ease or retain in the last year or two and not have to give a 1st.

There just isn't a good reason for MTL to give away a first.

I get that you're holding a hard line on your opinion but after 80+ comments, you've gotta see how this is one-sided.

it's not about value here Marco but the use of the terminology «cap dump» which is too much use and many times in a pure attack upon an actual nhler ... if you want to moderate people those kinds of words should be banned so we can talk about value. Mine was worst, but I wasn't giving much space and time to talk about why or show the whereabouts....

MTL has just as hard time attracting UFA's as WPG does. Also MTL already has literally OODLES of cap space so sign players if they wanted to. Honestly I feel like you're just doubling down here for now reason. You can make the argument the value isn't far off, maybe habs get a pick back, etc whatever. But trying to justify this as making sense when LITERALLY everyone in the post, including non Habs fans disagrees with doing this, should tell you something about the reasoning for doing it.

Winnipeg needs another forward come playoffs as having kupari on the team is a little sketchy. Jets are also one of the only teams that can afford Anderson for the contract that is a contender. So the jets make an upgrade of player but is on a terrible contract and get a pick that can be used to trade for a legit top 4 dman.

Mtl getting cap space for better players via FA and allowing for players like Ylonen and Roy to have ice time will be ideal. Ylonen could boom with the opportunity but with Anderson there the potential is being wasted while Anderson makes 8m this year for 2 assists and actively making his line mates worse

Mtl should at least call around teams at the cost to dump as letting it go to far can really set a team back. No disrespect to Anderson but trading him away to whatever team for what it costs would be good for mtl and for Anderson to regain himself on a new team

You can't seriously be singling me out for the use of a word when it is a word that is used daily by many users across the site as a whole. I think you need to take a break and think about if you don't have something nice to say don't say it. To personally attack me for using cap dump is not in any way attacking the players. It's indicative of how they perform to the contract. There can be players that are 4th liners but are paid 800k so the performance to cap makes sense. Obviously Anderson would want to play at an 82 point pace would wouldn't but when he has 2 points in 21 games making 8m in salary are you not saying you wouldn't want more productivity from him? Would you not think about what he is worth based on his stats contract salary and term?

it's not about value here Marco but the use of the terminology «cap dump» which is too much use and many times in a pure attack upon an actual nhler ... if you want to moderate people those kinds of words should be banned so we can talk about value. Mine was worst, but I wasn't giving much space and time to talk about why or show the whereabouts....

Btw this is a good banter. I see that you're alone facing 4-5 Habs fan by yourself and kudos for that. If we're sometimes rough on the edges please understand that it's nothing personal at all. It's pure passion, nothing more.

Montreal doesn't need cap space.

Montreal could actually just use that pick themselves to get a legit player.

Montreal can bury that contract with ease or retain in the last year or two and not have to give a 1st.

There just isn't a good reason for MTL to give away a first.

I get that you're holding a hard line on your opinion but after 80+ comments, you've gotta see how this is one-sided.

Cap dump isn't a slur and your posts were obviously trolling. You can yell to the cows come home, it won't change a thing. Take a deep breath. Don't worry. Everything is going to be fine. Anderson isn't going anywhere.

/thread plz this is just the usual westerner attacking habs players for the hundred time ... do some modo plz

Cap dump isn't a slur and your posts were obviously trolling. You can yell to the cows come home, it won't change a thing. Take a deep breath. Don't worry. Everything is going to be fine. Anderson isn't going anywhere.

should be counted as one cuz this is thrown to many time for no reason

Btw this is a good banter. I see that you're alone facing 4-5 Habs fans by yourself and kudos for that. If we're sometimes rough on the edges please understand that it's nothing personal at all. It's pure passion, nothing more.

I mean its not a personal attack. Its a contractual term. All it means is a contract that can't be traded without a sweetener.

It makes sense and I have my mtl buddy supporting me too. Mtl is not a contender but again this pick is likely 24th in 2025 who would make an impact in 2029 hopefully. There's no guarantee the pick plays game so to get rid of Anderson completely for a vesalainen is masterclass.

I truly believe that Anderson needs to be traded man. He isn't helping the team. Ylonen could be such a good player too and no one would know if he doesn't get the shot. With a rebuild I understand keeping young assets and 1sts but again it's likely a late 1st in 2025 to get 5.5m cap and it's no guarantee the pick is anything. The part most mtl fans forget is looking at the draft history of their picks later isn't exactly the best they can do. So trading a pick that they can use the cap to sign someone that helps right away should be explored