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Jets get better and get pick

Created by: Howie
Team: 2023-24 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 27, 2023
Published: Nov. 27, 2023
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Both are cap dumps but Anderson is definitely lower value. Maybe the jets add a 3rd to make it even. Allows mtl to use the cap they save in years 3 and 4 on major FA and extensions and jets get a pick and a playoff type player. Lmk what you guys think
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  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. 2025 1st round pick (CGY)
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Jets get Anderson who is a cap dump but worse than schmidt with 4 years left
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  1. Schmidt, Nate
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Mtl dumps Anderson as he is making 8m in salary and help make a path for younger talent in the nhl assumes both waive for better opportunities
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Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:09 p.m.
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Quoting: habitantlecolon
the next year cap 87,5 next 92,5 then 96,5 then 100,5 tell me when habs are going to be in a cap crushed situation again!?


Not guaranteed to increase that much and with the increases having a bottom 6 player with 2 points no goals in 21 games is terrible. 5.5 million could be the difference between signing a major asset or losing a major asset. Pay the price now and develop Ylonen and get the pick back in a year when he's put in a position to succeed. Boom now you traded Anderson for effectively nothing
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Howie
Not guaranteed to be their pick could be swapped to plenty of other picks with the conditions. It's not their 2025 unprotected lol. It could cost even more in the coming weeks to dump him especially if he plays the way he has.

Edit: looking at the conditions. Most likely rn is Calgary bottom 10 and panthers not so mtl would get a pick in the 18-32 range via panthers so the pick actually isn't as valuable as people think. People see Calgary pick and don't remember the conditions that make it not as valuable as the pick alone.

It doesn’t matter it’s a 1st rd pick for a team that is 13th in their conference and can use as many 1st rd picks as possible. You could convince me that they would move it for a player not a chance they use it to move cap.
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Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:12 p.m.
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In 2 years, it won’t cost a lot. Retained 50%, he might even get something good. And Ylonen isn’t really blocked, he is getting more and more responsabilities


Then why is Anderson pp with 0 goals. Anderson is blocking Ylonen's ice time. Anderson has almost 17 or 18 minutes and Ylonen is definitely near 10 minutes. Imagine what Ylonen could be with pp 1 time and those minutes. He's being blocked and paying to remove the problem now allows for more development and removes any risk of Anderson being more expensive to dump (remember physical players like him tend to drop off significantly and earlier than skill guys)
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:13 p.m.
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It doesn’t matter it’s a 1st rd pick for a team that is 13th in their conference and can use as many 1st rd picks as possible. You could convince me that they would move it for a player not a chance they use it to move cap.


It would be Florida's pick not Calgary's. Please refer to the trade conditions so you can familiarize yourself with what the pick is.
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:14 p.m.
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As you pointed out, in the 3rd year. That CGY 1st isn't going anywhere. If absolutely required, there are no options for cap gymnastics and we're looking to make a splash, then maybe MAYBE KH considers paying to move a contract. Absolutely no reason to consider it for a minimum of 2 years, which makes it a 26 or 27 1st which would then hypothetically be in the latter half of those respective drafts. I get that everyone is jumping all over this but there is no rush for anything and there will be no paying anything to move any contracts for the foreseeable future.


The idea is paying to get more cap sooner when mtl exits the rebuild and protects from the price increasing in the time when they would need the cap. It makes sense for mtl
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:14 p.m.
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Then why is Anderson pp with 0 goals. Anderson is blocking Ylonen's ice time. Anderson has almost 17 or 18 minutes and Ylonen is definitely near 10 minutes. Imagine what Ylonen could be with pp 1 time and those minutes. He's being blocked and paying to remove the problem now allows for more development and removes any risk of Anderson being more expensive to dump (remember physical players like him tend to drop off significantly and earlier than skill guys)

As I explained, Anderson will be way cheaper to dump at 1-2 years left.

And why would we be paying a first to let YLONEN play 5min a night more when we could literally do that for free. That’s stupid.
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Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:15 p.m.
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Then why is Anderson pp with 0 goals. Anderson is blocking Ylonen's ice time. Anderson has almost 17 or 18 minutes and Ylonen is definitely near 10 minutes. Imagine what Ylonen could be with pp 1 time and those minutes. He's being blocked and paying to remove the problem now allows for more development and removes any risk of Anderson being more expensive to dump (remember physical players like him tend to drop off significantly and earlier than skill guys)


he hit the net, the post most of the time but finishing is the problem here, not the player. The day he will take rhythm in scoring few of you here are going to be pissed to see us 1st for him again.
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:16 p.m.
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Quoting: habitantlecolon
this is literally pre pandemic-era number from the NHL Board kiddo !! LOL you guys need to take a step back and learn a few things about the sport before bragging pure nonsensical things around. Anderson brings value where you see a cap dump ... try something else, like paying for him instead, that be a better AGM ... !


He is a cap dump to 31/32 teams doesn't matter what mtl fans think he's worth he has 2 points in 21 games no goals while pp making 8m in salary. No team is paying assets for that type of player and only 1 first compared to the 2+ for Campbell is a great deal for mtl
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:16 p.m.
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The idea is paying to get more cap sooner when mtl exits the rebuild and protects from the price increasing in the time when they would need the cap. It makes sense for mtl


It makes no freaking sens at all you just try to imply you know how and where our rebuild is going ...
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:16 p.m.
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Quoting: Howie
The idea is paying to get more cap sooner when mtl exits the rebuild and protects from the price increasing in the time when they would need the cap. It makes sense for mtl


It definitely does not make sense for MTL... we're rebuilding and you want us to "knee-jerk" give away a 1st for no reason because a guy with a contract has gone cold. That's honestly just really bad asset management.
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Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:17 p.m.
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He is a cap dump to 31/32 teams doesn't matter what mtl fans think he's worth he has 2 points in 21 games no goals while pp making 8m in salary. No team is paying assets for that type of player and only 1 first compared to the 2+ for Campbell is a great deal for mtl


he is a cap dump to a few fans around this site, not teams ... this is the point so far.
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:17 p.m.
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As I explained, Anderson will be way cheaper to dump at 1-2 years left.

And why would we be paying a first to let YLONEN play 5min a night more when we could literally do that for free. That’s stupid.


It is necessary cheaper for 2 years vs 4 years. It's a cap dump regardless and when mtl makes it known they are trying to dump him the price jumps look at Campbell as an example
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:18 p.m.
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It is necessary cheaper for 2 years vs 4 years. It's a cap dump regardless and when mtl makes it known they are trying to dump him the price jumps look at Campbell as an example

And why would we make it know. Bro doesn’t propaganda.
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Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:19 p.m.
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Or the alternate version is that MTL keep Anderson for the next 2 years and pays the price at that point to move him or buy him out if need be without having to take a roster spot away from a young player for Schmidt.

You're asking MTL to pay a 1st now to solve a problem they don't currently have.


Exactly as he says

The most desperate GM will pay a 1st on that trade, and it ain't Kent Hughes
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:19 p.m.
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It makes no freaking sens at all you just try to imply you know how and where our rebuild is going ...


Every rebuild tends to make an impact signing when exiting a rebuild and Anderson is a cap dump that prevents young players like Ylonen and cap space to keep and sign players. A 20-32 overall pick for 5.5 million in cap space isn't that bad and allows mtl to give Ylonen more ice time to become another lehkonen
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:19 p.m.
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cant tell if dumb or trolling.
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Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:20 p.m.
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And why would we make it know. Bro doesn’t propaganda.


Look at edm they could have been try to trade him but as soon as Elliot Friedman makes it known that mtl is trying to trade Anderson teams are going to ask for more and not make it easy to trade Anderson regardless of 2 or 4 years
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:21 p.m.
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Every rebuild tends to make an impact signing when exiting a rebuild and Anderson is a cap dump that prevents young players like Ylonen and cap space to keep and sign players. A 20-32 overall pick for 5.5 million in cap space isn't that bad and allows mtl to give Ylonen more ice time to become another lehkonen


Habs will deal that pick for another 22-24 years old rookie, no need to spend the famous dump cash challenge of your
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:21 p.m.
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cant tell if dumb or trolling.


This is a serious agm. It saves cap for mtl when they exit the rebuild and protection if it costs more to dump Anderson in the future
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:22 p.m.
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cant tell if dumb or trolling.


both as usual from winterpeg fan.
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:22 p.m.
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Habs will deal that pick for another 22-24 years old rookie, no need to spend the famous dump cash challenge of your


Anderson is a cap dump whether you want to believe it or not even some mtl fans in this agm agree he is. At some point Anderson will have to be dealt or bought out.
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:23 p.m.
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both as usual from winterpeg fan.


Want to bring up mtl trolling winnipeg fans for a year with terrible Dubois deals? Over a year!
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:24 p.m.
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Anderson is a cap dump whether you want to believe it or not even some mtl fans in this agm agree he is. At some point Anderson will have to be dealt or bought out.


if you were talking about Gallagher we could agree, but from Anderson unlucky start sorry this is a misfire from you
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:25 p.m.
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ok then dumb it is.


It makes sense look at like a Tavares like signing for mtl in 2 years with the money they save and don't have to worry if it would have cost 3 firsts to dump Anderson and younger players more opportunities to succeed
Nov. 27, 2023 at 9:29 p.m.
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so now there is rules, LOL


Well your agm was already deleted. I've explained why both teams benefit from this trade. Mtl gets cap and young players ice time jets get a player that would be great on the lowry line and a later 20s pick next year to either pick or use for a top 4 rhd
 
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