Part 2 Pens Miss Playoffs Offseason Path Forward

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Created by: Pens3lieve

Team: 2024-25 Pittsburgh Penguins

Initial Creation Date: Dec. 6, 2023

Published: Dec. 7, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

[From my Part 1 Post: This post assumes the Pens continue their below .500 trajectory and sit over 5 points out of a WC spot at the TDL, which is not hard to imagine happening if the power play continues to be awful, the goaltending and few players actually playing well regress, and other playoff-caliber teams begin to separate themselves from the pack.

-All pending UFAs with at least late-round-pick value get moved.
-All other non-core pieces are made available
-The Pens end up finishing bottom-10 in the league, thus they exercise their right to keep their 2024 1st round pick and opt to send their 2025 1st to San Jose]

notes
-the report that the cap will go up to over 87.5M next year
-hypothetically the pens missing the playoffs for the 2nd straight year
-a 2024 TDL selloff of all expiring contracts

all this leads to dubas now having to consider moving pieces that had subpar seasons like nieto, acciari, etc... and longer term contracts like rakell and graves... for the sake of this post, i will not move rakell/graves as their careers suggest 2023-2024 was an anomaly and they can get back to their previous level of play...

-we'll assume the pens either talk with Guentzel in FA but ultimately don't want to give him 7 years and they switch their focus... (or LAK gives him an 8 year extention)
-Dubas has to consider extentions for now expiring contracts such as Crosby, Smith, Eller, Pettersson, Ludvig..... (part 3 will deal with those contracts expiring in 2025)
-so therefore dubas does alot of short term deals to try to keep the team competitive for now so a teardown post-crosby is easier...
-after a season in the AHL, blomqvist backs up jarry for a full NHL season and plays about 30 games

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Poulin, Samuel	3	$775,000
Wahlstrom, Oliver	2	$850,000
Smith, Ty	1	$775,000
Samorukov, Dmitri	1	$775,000
Puustinen, Valtteri	1	$775,000
Gruden, Jonathan	1	$775,000
Raddysh, Taylor	2	$1,750,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Nylander, William	7	$10,000,000
Hinostroza, Vinnie	1	$775,000
Hellberg, Magnus	1	$775,000
Shea, Ryan	2	$775,000
Amadio, Michael	3	$2,500,000
Seeler, Nick	1	$1,000,000
Duhaime, Brandon	1	$1,000,000
Jost, Tyson	1	$775,000
Kiviranta, Joel	1	$775,000
Barabanov, Alexander	1	$775,000
Motte, Tyler	1	$775,000

Trades

PIT

2024 1st round pick (PIT)

SJS

2025 1st round pick (PIT)

Additional Details:

Pens finish bottom-10, they keep the 2024 1st and send the 2025 1st to SJS

PIT

2024 2nd round pick (EDM)

Additional Details:

Warren Foegele

EDM

Vinnie Hinostroza
Alex Nedeljkovic

PIT

2024 1st round pick (VAN)
2024 4th round pick (VAN)

Additional Details:

Tyler Myers

VAN

O'Connor, Drew
2024 2nd round pick (EDM)

PIT

Wahlstrom, Oliver [RFA Rights]

NYI

Joseph, Pierre-Olivier [RFA Rights]
2024 6th round pick (PIT)

PIT

Dvorak, Jakub
Pinelli, Francesco
2024 1st round pick (LAK)

LAK

Jake Guentzel @ 50% retained
Jansen Harkins

PIT

Holmberg, Pontus

TOR

Acciari, Noel

PIT

2024 5th round pick (ARI)
2025 5th round pick (ARI)

Additional Details:

Placeholder Team

ARI

Nieto, Matt

Additional Details:

Prev TDL deals shipping out Nieto and Ruhwedel

Retained Salary Transactions

Jeff Petry: $1,562,500 (25%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$87,675,000	$86,716,009	$0	$57,500	$958,991

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Rakell, Rickard $5,000,000$5,000,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 4	Crosby, Sidney $8,700,000$8,700,000 C NMC UFA - 1	Nylander, William $10,000,000$10,000,000 RW UFA - 8
Smith, Reilly $5,000,000$5,000,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Malkin, Evgeni $6,100,000$6,100,000 C NMC UFA - 2	Rust, Bryan $5,125,000$5,125,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 4
Amadio, Michael $2,500,000$2,500,000 RW, LW UFA	Eller, Lars $2,450,000$2,450,000 C UFA - 1	Raddysh, Taylor $1,750,000$1,750,000 RW RFA
Motte, Tyler $775,000$775,000 LW, RW UFA	Poulin, Samuel $775,000$775,000 C, LW RFA - 2	Duhaime, Brandon $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, LW UFA

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Pettersson, Marcus $4,025,175$4,025,175 LD M-NTC UFA - 1	Karlsson, Erik $10,000,000$10,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 3	Jarry, Tristan $5,375,000$5,375,000 G M-NTC UFA - 4
Ludvig, John $775,000$775,000 LD RFA - 1	Letang, Kris $6,100,000$6,100,000 RD NMC UFA - 4	Blomqvist, Joel $886,667$886,667 ($57,500$58K) G RFA - 2
Graves, Ryan $4,500,000$4,500,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 5	Seeler, Nick $1,000,000$1,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 4

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Wahlstrom, Oliver $850,000$850,000 RW RFA
Jost, Tyson $775,000$775,000 C UFA
Shea, Ryan $775,000$775,000 LD UFA

Taxi Squad
Holmberg, Pontus $800,000$800,000 ($0$0$0$0) C, LW RFA - 1
Hellberg, Magnus $775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0) G UFA
Barabanov, Alexander $775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0) RW, LW UFA
Kiviranta, Joel $775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0) RW, LW UFA
Hinostroza, Vinnie $775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0) RW, LW UFA

Dec. 7, 2023 at 2:18 p.m.

Rob32sjsharks

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On what planet is Alex Barabanov taking a leauge min deal to play in the AHL?

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Dec. 7, 2023 at 2:20 p.m.

tkecanuck341

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The Kings aren't giving up a 1st, their best center prospect, and their best LHD prospect for a rental.

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Dec. 7, 2023 at 2:20 p.m.

Vancity2196

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I’m okay with the third trade, but I don’t see Vancouver giving away its first round pick to Pittsburgh.
Patrick Allvin will never do that.

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Dec. 7, 2023 at 2:20 p.m.

mv21227

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Why would the Canucks trade down from the 1st round to the 2nd to acquire a 4th line winger? If we move our 1st it’ll be for an impact player, not Drew O’Connor

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Dec. 7, 2023 at 2:26 p.m.

Pens3lieve

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Hockey IQ

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Quoting: Vancity2196

I’m okay with the third trade, but I don’t see Vancouver giving away its first round pick to Pittsburgh.
Patrick Allvin will never do that.

Quoting: mv21227

Why would the Canucks trade down from the 1st round to the 2nd to acquire a 4th line winger? If we move our 1st it’ll be for an impact player, not Drew O’Connor

O'Connor is a middle-6 winger...and the 1st trade down was to move off the tyler myers contract...
(also he's a rutherford/alvin guy)

(this post is building off a previous one so alot of things i had to just fill in details from the prior post in the earlier season...)

thanks for the feedback guys

Dec. 7, 2023 at 2:28 p.m.

sedin33

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Quoting: Pens3lieve

Need a RHD. Myers is fine as third pairing d. Hard pass.

Dec. 7, 2023 at 2:29 p.m.

Pens3lieve

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

The Kings aren't giving up a 1st, their best center prospect, and their best LHD prospect for a rental.

i tried to leave a disclaimer that i was not familiar with the LA prospects system lol...
my thought of "guentzel to LAK" was more bc ik they have great C depth and have been good defensively, but their add would be a scoring winger....

what do you think would be a fair price for LAK to pay for a 50% retained Guentzel???

Dec. 7, 2023 at 2:30 p.m.

Pens3lieve

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Quoting: sedin33

Need a RHD. Myers is fine as third pairing d. Hard pass.

can i interest you in a slightly used Chad Ruhwedel? lol

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Dec. 7, 2023 at 2:33 p.m.

AStovetop

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Nylander isn't signing with Pitt. He can get equivalent or more from other teams that are recent playoff contenders/up and coming teams.

As a Sharks fan, this would be very exciting since they'll likely be worse next year than this year and having that unprotected first would be awesome

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Dec. 7, 2023 at 2:35 p.m.

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Pens3lieve

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Quoting: AStovetop

oh yeah for sure... i'm praying we find a way to fix this season otherwise that pick could be top-10 next year...

Dec. 7, 2023 at 2:38 p.m.

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tkecanuck341

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Quoting: Pens3lieve

At the deadline? A conditional 1st round pick or a 2nd round pick and a good-but-not-great prospect (i.e. not one of those two guys).

Dec. 7, 2023 at 2:48 p.m.

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Pens3lieve

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

At the deadline? A conditional 1st round pick or a 2nd round pick and a good-but-not-great prospect (i.e. not one of those two guys).

TDL moves
Greenway to BUF for 2nd/5th
Kulak to EDM for 2nd/7th
Rakell to PIT for 2nd/prospect
Copp to NYR for 1st/2nd/5th
Bertuzzi to BOS for 1st/4th
Hronek to VAN for 1st/2nd

yeah if those 2 are top-end prospects i agree with you for sure... i do think some people still undervalue guentzel tho, and i would not be surprised to see PIT get a couple good assets back for him esp if a team wants to extend him....

dubas has gotten a 1st for kapanen and sandin so easily for a guentzel....

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