goal post after goal post being moved with every comment, not matthews fault they havent had an nhl goalie since brodeur,

matthews is the devils daddy

were gonna get one when jack and luke come dont worry

are the devils even going to make the playoffs this year

The leafs have just 8 wins in regulation. Unfortunately for the leafs the playoffs don't go to a shootout after 5 minutes of overtime.

The Jack hughes era is from 19-20 on.
In 19-20, blackwood (who matthews didn't score against when he played), got hurt a week prior. But hey, congrats to Matthews for statpadding against career AHLer/Backup Louis Domingue, after Domingue had played on the 9th, 11th, 12th, and then finally vs the leafs on the 14th.
The devils and the leafs did not play due to covid in 20-21
The devils had historical injuries in net in 21-22. But again, didn't do **** vs Daws.
Again vs a competent goalie in Vanacek, 3 points in 3 games.

Hey I guess that's why you pay him the big bucks. To score lots of goal against backup goalies in meaningless regular season games.

Ok well how about this Jack hughes wasnt ppg in the playoffs Matthews was Matthews played better defense and was better physically (33 hits for matthews, (4!!!) for Jack Hughes Matthews had more shot blocks (21 to hughes' 3) and also Jack hughes has 0 60 goal seasons 0 100 point seasons no hart trophy no rockets no ted lindsay case closed matthews is better

Oh no Jack had 1 more game

The Hurricanes and Rangers gave up a combined 426 goals in 164 games.
The Lightning and Panthers gave up a combined 524 goals in 164 games.

And then Tampa lost Cernak, and Hedman missed a game and a half.

Unfortunately Jack didn't get the privilege of getting matched up against career AHLer Darryn Raddysh playing 25 minutes a night with Nylander and or marner on his wing.

Jack went against Fox/Lindgren (with by far the best goalie in hockey in net), and then the best defensive top 4 in hockey in Skjei-Pesce, Slavvin-Burns.

Hmm perhaps matthews getting to play against teams that are 20% easier to score on helped, or perhaps getting to play the entire playoffs with 1 or 2 of Nylander or Marner makes things easier

Hits lmao. You know it's desperate times when you turn to hits and shot blocks.

Jack has been better defensively than matthews the last 2 years, and is levels ahead of where Matthews was defensively at 22 years old.

Rats if only Jack got 1 more point to put him 15 points ahead of Matthews last year instead of only 14

whats the endgame for you here

Linemates mean very little when matthews was forced into a distributing role while he was hurt last season, he isn't a playmaking player. Flexing that your player got more points in more games than a player that was hurt the entire season with a hand injury preventing him from effectively doing the thing he designs his game around is a pretty flimsy argument. Also hughes was playing with Bratt and Meier you can't act like he was stapled to some terrible players like 2 ryan reaves on his wing. I just gave an example on how matthews is better defensively than hughes (who also gets caved in the circle) so unless you can come up with evidence that he actually is better defensively than matthews (Jfresh doesnt count) i will disregard what you are saying on his defense. I mentioned hits because hits are evidently a part of hockey and they help the team win by wearing down the opponent and forcing turnovers. Matthews had 8 more takeaways and 30 less giveaways than hughes. (Better defense) Matthews blocked more shots (Blocking shots often prevent shots from reaching your goaltender and therefore cause no scoring chances) so with all this you can make a pretty concrete argument matthews is better overall than hughes

Also its Slavin with 1 V not Slavvin with 2

Hughes most common linemate set in the playoffs was Palat and Haula.


Why Hughes is better than Matthews defensively??

Over the last 2 years 5v5:

Matthews allows 2.76 xGoals against/60 (again paired mostly with Selke finalist Marner). How can you have Marner and Matthews both be great defensively and yet they give up more chances than Jack?
Hughes allows 2.56 xGoals against/60.

But hey, matthews was quality defensively for 2 years of his 8 year career (20-21 and 21-22) so now the narrative will stick.
And jack hughes small and doesn't block shots so he must be bad defensively.

Jack Hughes dominates possession. You know the best way to not get scored on? It's to have the puck. The Jack Hughes line doesn't dump and chase. Jack skates the puck in.

It's why if you actually look into the numbers (per moneypuck)
Matthews has 8 defensive zone giveaways (the dangerous ones) this year 5v5. Jack has ZERO.
he had 19 last year 5v5: Jack had just 10.

You know what a hit means? It means the other team has the puck. You know what a blocked shot means. It means the other team has the puck.

Faceoffs again aren't particularly meaningful. Especially on a team like NJD who has Mcleod at 63%, Tierney at 58%, Lazar at 58%, Nico at 58%, Haula at 55% and Mercer at 51%.

51% matthews would be moving out of the way for faceoffs as well.

Distributing role and only 45 assists?

So why does Hughes produce more than Matthews at age 22 than Matthews at age 26?

The thing that seperated McDavid from Matthews (and it’s a sizeable gap) is the same thing that seperated Hughes from Matthews. Hockey IQ.

Cause matthews was hurt the entire season and played less games obviously

Almost like when you are injured you dont score points which is something you continue to dance around for no reason

Hughes was ahead in P/GP than Matthews last year. Matches the eye test too, Hughes is dynamic out there and has vision only second to McDavid.

Yeah it's a convenient excuse. The injury that occurred in the 20-21 season to be used as an excuse for poor play in 22-23 and 23-24. But hey if he gets hot that means the injury is going away, but then when he goes cold again its because of that old injury.

And ofc that wrist injury from 2021 explains him being below average defensively in 22-23 and 23-24. And his lack of playmaking, and his lack of goals last year and everything else that went wrong.

Matthews has 6 years of bad/below average defensive play, and 2 years of good defensive play. At this point it seems like 20-21 and 21-22 were the exception, not the rule.

rocks how having three less goals than your messiah jack hughes constitutes an awful season for matthews

how's that essay coming along?

14 less points as well, don't forget that, and the better linemates and the worse defensive metrics

"jack is better because his linemates suck" is an incredible rationale. i love it

haven't completely won me over yet though. think you should spend all of tomorrow too arguing about this.

matthews scored 40 goals his rookie season not playing top line minutes the whole year with rookie nylander and rookie hyman on his line. scored at a 40 goal pace with kapanen and johnsson on his line

Irrelevant when matthews had a hand injury all season

And the excuse for being nearly half a ppg behind jack this year?

It was a separate injury, https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2601391 Here's a source if you don't believe me. As soon as matthews was feeling better he started playing a lot better

That doesn't give any contrary evidence to when the injury occurred. Players battle through injuries all the time.

Please give me the dates for when this injury occurred and healed.