If I was the Leafs I would not give away a first-round pick.

Unless it's an offer they can't refuse (4 2nds and 2 3rds as an example...)

And the Canucks shouldn't either

Ferraro is the same player as McCabe is. Like almost exactly the same.
While the price would be reasonable for most teams, he doesn’t move the needle for Toronto - so why are you going to overspend? Why not do it for someone that does?
The price listed isn’t too far off what Larsson should cost so go after him because he actually fills a need and is signed beyond this year.
This just feels like one of those “make a trade just to make a trade” type of deal. It’s redundant.

The first half is somewhat correct, the second half is a little off base. The way I see it, the Leafs aren't really a contender this year. They need more than 1 defenceman to become one. Ferraro is legit getting crushed every night. Nothing about his numbers shouts "reliable" guy has been on the ice for over 40 goals against so far. His expected goals for percentage is under 25%. He's the usual not great player on a bad team, that some fans look at his hits and say, he's awesome. He isn't

a trade!

Ferraro isn't the d-man the leafs need. Hopefully not the trade Trev makes or he should be out the door. The leafs need size to compete with their division in the playoffs.

Where Larsson would be an excellent fit; IF moving a first I want a guy with more term..... which Ferraro has. Is the the same type of D as McCabe? In many ways yes. But, is that a bad thing? Can just as easily move McCabe to the right side; which has has played.

Would love Larsson. But knowing what that process point may look like for what maybe only one year beyond thials...... I for one cannot do it.

Gotta be honest here..... I am one of those old school guys that sees some value in analytics, but doesn't put much stock in them either.

I mean the Sharks as a whole are crushed every night. If your partner is Kyle Burroughs most nights, or Rutta others it doesn't scream offense from the back end.

And frankly, when the Sharks goaltending has looked better than Toronto's, that just might be an indicator on what Ferraro can do. Not bringing him is to be an offensive catalyst. Bringing him in to defend. Which in San Jose he does a lot of.... because they simply don't have an offense beyond Hertl and Granlund! at this point. Is that 40 goals against more a function of how much time the Sharks spend in their own end (and Ferraro?) or a function of Ferraro solely.

Stats in microcosms....... we can agree to disagree.

Good players in bad teams tilt the ice to their teams direction. Ferraro doesn't do that at all. He's a better Benoit but the Leafs don't need more Benoit's, they need more guys that can do a lot more. The Leafs defence as a whole is not very mobile. Rielly sure is, but Brodie's lost a step, GOP's not very quick now, McCabe isn't slow but he's not overly great with the puck. Liljegren and Timmins can skate and both move the puck well. But the controlled zone entries are not looking good for TO. And our defence has a lot of trouble getting the puck out of the zone in control. That's a really big problem, you're chasing the game which the Leafs have done way more than normal this season. Ferraro doesn't really add much to this. He replaces Benoit and hopefully better but is a guy who gets blast playing against the opposition's best, become a legit defender in the same role on a better team? If he had better results you can make an argument, but Ferraro is just a 3rd pair guy.

Hear what you are saying on the zone entries...... buy from the offensive perspective, not having Liligren and Giordano for a stretch didn't help. As for the constant collapses at the blueline, I would say that has been an issue for a couple years.

Now that we are seeing a "healthier" blueline, I wonder if the D znne exit issues improve - which arguably they should.

But back to defending the blueline.....

Ferraro traditionally falls back. I get that. I also get that he is playing minutes he probably shouldn't be in San Jose - asking too much. What looks like a 3rd pairing D with the Sharks I think could be a 2nd pairing option in Toronto.

Is he perfect? No. Not sure there is a perfect fit.

What he does do prevents pucks from getting to the net. Moves bodies. An element that the blueline in Toronto also lacks.

Not saying what you are putting out there is off-base. Simply see a defender that adds something, and still has potential to do more if out in a situation to succeed. I don't think anyone is going to disagree he is being asked way too much as a Shark.

Maybe this is an overpay. But for a defender this young and a contract mot that onerous, you are giving up something.

I fully admit he probably provides an upgrade somewhere in the lineup but I don't think it's really all that much of one in the grand scheme of things. Unless we are getting a difference maker, spending big assets is a waste. Ferraro isn't a difference maker, could be a good player but for this much, it's not worth it.

Gotta be honest, this idea has stuck in my head for a few days now and I’m more on board than I originally was. There’s going to be a hole on the left side to fill for the 2LD spot come this summer and as much as I wouldn’t be surprised to see Treliving overpay Zadorov to fill it, Ferraro might be better to save some cap space.

The biggest issue I have with it is the 1st in the deal - Treliving highly values 1st round picks and doesn’t like trading them that often. With the Leafs system lacking any real good prospects it’s gonna be tough to move but I think it would at least make them think about it

Oh, I hate moving the 1st. Hate.

It is more to the point of if (and I stress if) Tree moves it, it had better be for someone with some real term.

Ferraro has is haters. I did some further research on his analytics..... although they are not great, they are mid-pack on this Sharks roster. xGF, XGA, both are mid pack..... surprising not much worse the Hertl's this year (which shocked me). The comparison only makes me think he is a viable target.

Believe me, I hate moving the 1st. Hate moving Neimela.... both assets are where the Leafs are thinnest.

I don’t mind moving Niemela tbh. I don’t think he plays a game in a Leafs jersey ever. He’s too small for what Treliving likes. He’s more than likely a big trade chip because other teams will value him more than Treliving does