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True contender

Team: 2023-24 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 30, 2023
Published: Dec. 30, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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This team would absolutely be a true contender
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Stamkos, Steven ($4,000,000 retained)
TBL
  1. Celebrini, Aiden [Reserve List]
  2. Dries, Sheldon
  3. Klimovich, Danila
  4. McDonough, Aidan
  5. Myers, Tyler
  6. 2024 1st round pick (VAN)
  7. 2024 4th round pick (VAN)
  8. 2024 4th round pick (NJD)
  9. 2025 2nd round pick (VAN)
Additional Details:
ONLY IF tampa sells
2.
OTT
  1. Kudryavtsev, Kirill
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (VAN)
  3. 2025 1st round pick (VAN)
  4. 2026 2nd round pick (VAN)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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Logo of the SJS
Logo of the VAN
2025
Logo of the VAN
Logo of the VAN
Logo of the VAN
Logo of the VAN
2026
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Logo of the VAN
Logo of the VAN
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$83,500,000$81,330,417$850,000$0$2,169,583
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$7,350,000$7,350,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$4,750,000$4,750,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$8,000,000$8,000,000
C, LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$6,650,000$6,650,000
RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$825,000$825,000
LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$1,900,000$1,900,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$4,950,000$4,950,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$1,600,000$1,600,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$1,150,000$1,150,000
RW, C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$7,850,000$7,850,000
LD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$4,400,000$4,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
UFA - 3
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$3,750,000$3,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Ottawa Senators
$4,600,000$4,600,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$775,000$775,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$883,750$883,750
C
RFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$775,000$775,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$3,250,000$3,250,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 3

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Dec. 30, 2023 at 1:53 p.m.
#1
sensonfire
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Vancpuver can have Chychrun for Willander + 2024 1st + 2026 2nd.
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Dec. 30, 2023 at 1:56 p.m.
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Sell The Team Franky
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Quoting: sensonfire
Vancpuver can have Chychrun for Willander + 2024 1st + 2026 2nd.


That's way more than we payed for Hronek who is a better player, younger and has his deal end as a rfa compared to Chychrun, think you need to be a little more realistic
Dec. 30, 2023 at 1:59 p.m.
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KFTW
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Ottawa isn’t doing that . His value is up and no chance they do it without a 2024 1st
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Dec. 30, 2023 at 2:16 p.m.
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Prime Primeau
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That is awful for Ottawa. Try adding Willander or Lekkerimaki
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Dec. 30, 2023 at 2:21 p.m.
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boltsfan71
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uh tampa would never do that
Dec. 30, 2023 at 2:30 p.m.
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No way Canucks are doing these trades.
Both trades declined.
Tampa can have Stamkos.
Ottawa can have Chychrun.
Dec. 30, 2023 at 2:30 p.m.
#7
VAN
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Guys you'd have to overpay for. Not worth it.
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Dec. 30, 2023 at 2:42 p.m.
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sensonfire
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Quoting: CanucksFansRtheSmartest
That's way more than we payed for Hronek who is a better player, younger and has his deal end as a rfa compared to Chychrun, think you need to be a little more realistic


That's only slightly more than what Ottawa paid for Chychrun himself.

Think you need to be a little more realistic.
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Dec. 30, 2023 at 3:12 p.m.
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BRUCE THERE IT IS
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Quoting: sensonfire
Vancpuver can have Chychrun for Willander + 2024 1st + 2026 2nd.


OTT acquired him for a 1st + 2nd, his value hasn’t skyrocketed to add a blue chip prospect on top of that
Dec. 30, 2023 at 3:21 p.m.
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Quoting: cooliny
OTT acquired him for a 1st + 2nd, his value hasn’t skyrocketed to add a blue chip prospect on top of that


Ottawa paid the following for Chychrun:

#12 overall pick in 2023
Washington's 2024 2nd round pick (Currently #52 overall on Tankathon)
Ottawa's 2026 2nd round pick


My counteroffer to this AGM:

#11 overall pick in 2023 (Tom Willander)
Vancouver's 2024 1st round pick (Currently #28 overall on Tankathon)
Vancouver's 2026 2nd round pick


I'm not asking for much more than what we paid.

Cue the hyperbole.
Dec. 30, 2023 at 5:16 p.m.
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westleysnipez
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Edited Dec. 30, 2023 at 5:22 p.m.
Quoting: sensonfire
Ottawa paid the following for Chychrun:

#12 overall pick in 2023
Washington's 2024 2nd round pick (Currently #52 overall on Tankathon)
Ottawa's 2026 2nd round pick


My counteroffer to this AGM:

#11 overall pick in 2023 (Tom Willander)
Vancouver's 2024 1st round pick (Currently #28 overall on Tankathon)
Vancouver's 2026 2nd round pick


I'm not asking for much more than what we paid.

Cue the hyperbole.


You're ignoring the value difference between 11th and 12th overall; value-wise is somewhere between a late 2nd and early 3rd in terms of pick value.

2016 Draft

OTT acquires Pick #11
NJD acquires Pick #12 and Pick #80

2013 Draft

DET acquires Pick #20 and Pick #58
SJS acquires Pick #18

Comparable value would be Willander + 2nd, although I wouldn't do that as VAN.

A more reasonable trade based on the market would be the Canucks 1st + 2nd + prospect/3rd.

See these trades:

Provorov
Chychrun
Hronek
Gavrikov

We can also use another comparable trade with DeBrincat. The Senators traded Pick #7, #39 and a 3rd in 2024 for DeBrincat in 2022, then last offseason traded him for less than they got when he was an RFA; a Top-10 protected pick, a roster player, prospect, and a 4th.

Additionally, teams don't pay more for a player who has been traded within the last year, they'll pay the same amount or less for that player. There are countless examples of this in the trade history of the league. DeBrincat, Nate Schmidt, etc.
Dec. 30, 2023 at 5:34 p.m.
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Quoting: westleysnipez
You're ignoring the value difference between 11th and 12th overall; value-wise is somewhere between a late 2nd and early 3rd in terms of pick value.

2016 Draft

OTT acquires Pick #11
NJD acquires Pick #12 and Pick #80

2013 Draft

DET acquires Pick #20 and Pick #58
SJS acquires Pick #18

Comparable value would be Willander + 2nd, although I wouldn't do that as VAN.

A more reasonable trade based on the market would be the Canucks 1st + 2nd + prospect/3rd.

See these trades:

Provorov
Chychrun
Hronek
Gavrikov

We can also use another comparable trade with DeBrincat. The Senators traded Pick #7, #39 and a 3rd in 2024 for DeBrincat in 2022, then last offseason traded him for less than they got when he was an RFA; a Top-10 protected pick, a roster player, prospect, and a 4th.

Additionally, teams don't pay more for a player who has been traded within the last year, they'll pay the same amount or less for that player. There are countless examples of this in the trade history of the league. DeBrincat, Nate Schmidt, etc.


1. I'm ignoring the value difference because Ottawa is not interested in trading him.

If Vancouver wants Chychrun, they'll need to overpay.

And I've shown here how Vancouver can do so.



2. Next year, Chychrun will get a Chabot / Sanderson like extension at 8 million x 8.

He'll probably spend the rest of his career in Ottawa.

Once that happens, this entire discussion becomes moot.
Dec. 30, 2023 at 6:02 p.m.
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westleysnipez
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Quoting: sensonfire
1. I'm ignoring the value difference because Ottawa is not interested in trading him.

If Vancouver wants Chychrun, they'll need to overpay.

And I've shown here how Vancouver can do so.



2. Next year, Chychrun will get a Chabot / Sanderson like extension at 8 million x 8.

He'll probably spend the rest of his career in Ottawa.

Once that happens, this entire discussion becomes moot.


Every fan on this website thinks Player A on their team is worth so much more because they're untradeable. Rarely is that ever the case.

In the NHL market, Chychrun is worth a mid 1st + 2nd, or a late 1st + 2nd + 3rd. It doesn't matter than Ottawa may or may not want to trade him, if they do trade him, that is his worth.
Dec. 30, 2023 at 10:35 p.m.
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This has to be a troll its so dumb. Move on.
 
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